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Originally Posted by Fyrwulf View Post

Jesus Christ, you are dense. Every single officer of the Federal government is sworn to uphold the Constitution, which includes the right to property. The FCC's jurisdiction is communications (obviously), so of course they are interested in making sure the Constitution is enforced where they have the power to make sure it is enforced. Also, I don't see you organizing a million man march on DC to demand a Constitutional amendment that equates passing laws that violate the Constitution to treason and mandates the maximum penalty upon conviction. Do that and you won't see any affronts against the Constitution like the DMCA pass ever again, because no amount of money is worth ending your life strapped to a gurney with a needle in your arm.

Why should I? I do my job for the US government. I wouldn't have time to organize your march, even if I wanted to.

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The FCC's mission, specified in Section One of the Communications Act of 1934 and amended by the Telecommunications Act of 1996 (amendment to 47 U.S.C. §151) is to "make available so far as possible, to all the people of the United States, without discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin, or sex, rapid, efficient, Nation-wide, and world-wide wire and radio communication services with adequate facilities at reasonable charges." The Act furthermore provides that the FCC was created "for the purpose of the national defense" and "for the purpose of promoting safety of life and property through the use of wire and radio communications."

Yeah, my first post was a little out of bounds, but it wasn't a completely serious post, perhaps I should have made it obvious, with an eye roll, or something? The point is, this is the FCC doing their job. I'm glad that someone is. If you are implying that this isn't their job, you are the one that is dense. Do some research, or even better, take the battery cover of your phone and notice the "FCC" sticker. If you need me to explain further why it applies, feel free to PM me, we'll get it straight.
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You quoted me to refute a point I never made.

Corporations can exert such massive control over regulatory actions because there exists channels within the established bureaucracy to do so. The power of the federal government is directly dictated by the populace which choose to abdicate these powers. The motives behind any business are transparent and obvious. Should we really be surprised about the outcome when we put a tiger in a butcher shop? At what point do we stop trying to place blame on the tiger and start questioning why the butcher is even letting the tiger into their shop? Should we not demand a butcher who advocates a "no tiger" policy and uses regulatory measures such as door locks to keep said tiger out?

Your view of government is extremely narrow and rudimentary given your characterization of it. Keep in mind that a vast majority of the laws passed by Congress are extremely vague and non-specific, with reason. Regulatory groups are more or less empowered to "legislate" in this fashion. Bodies such as the SEC, FDA, FCC, etc are typically not given explicit instructions from the passed laws (unless there is a signing statement from the President). It is up to these groups to determine their own regulations and how to enforce them. Your day to day dealings with the government are with these bureaucratic groups. Those who head up these regulatory bureaucracies within the federal government are the result of presidential appointment and senate approval. This rabbit-hole goes even deeper, but this isn't really the place for that discussion. Suffice it to say that our regulatory, business, governmental interplay is not as simple as claiming ownership, "evil" corporate personhood (which most people don't understand), and pointing to some vague "corruption" in Western Capitols.
Capitalism does not rely on the morality of the economy, if proper regulations are kept in place in order to provide an equal and unchangeable market, it remains an extremely effective method of distributing resources. By its very definition those players in the market, within a Capitalistic model, must be price takers and not price makers (monopolies etc.) When we have excessive regulations that create barriers to entry or attempts by regulatory commissions to dictate demand curves and prices (a la socialistic central planning), we no longer have true capitalism.

TLDR: Yes, I agree that we are veering away from Capitalism because of the massive expansion of government control and the subsequent ability of this government to grant sweet-heart deals.

^I heart you. If people are so against "big business" then they can bring about the end of such businesses by not purchasing or using their products. Creative destruction will take over then.

Consumers have shirked their responsibilities and that's what's led to all the problems. Start businesses that you would like to buy from if you don't like the current ones. Of course when you do you'll see how ridiculous the regulations are and how expensive it's become to be a small business owner. Capitalism worked because it knew people aren't moral and that it could use this fact to make everyone better off so long as the producers are incentivized to produce something and compete; the consumers kept them in check demanding either better value, quantity, or quality; and the government had a small but useful part in making sure anarchy (disregard of property laws, and so on) didn't break out. Expand or contract the responsibilities/power of either of those three parties and things go downhill.
     
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post #23 of 39
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Why should I? I do my job for the US government. I wouldn't have time to organize your march, even if I wanted to.

Sorry I snapped at you, but I get so tired of people complaining with no intention of doing anything. There's a saying among the Army's, ah, problem solvers, "Don't ***** if you aren't bringing solutions".
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Yeah, my first post was a little out of bounds, but it wasn't a completely serious post, perhaps I should have made it obvious, with an eye roll, or something? The point is, this is the FCC doing their job. I'm glad that someone is. If you are implying that this isn't their job, you are the one that is dense. Do some research, or even better, take the battery cover of your phone and notice the "FCC" sticker. If you need me to explain further why it applies, feel free to PM me, we'll get it straight.

I didn't realize you were being sarcastic. Now that you've clarified your position, I agree with you.
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Originally Posted by Artikbot View Post

Has nothing to do with voters. It's greedy corporations behind this. Doesn't matter who you vote, everyone's equally as corrupt.

Didn't affect me in the 1st place, but it would really suck for you Americans if this was ever enforced.

The FCC is a branch of the government. The only power corporations have is the power that government gives them.
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Further, this has nothing with voters. The ONE PERSON who made the change is James Hadley Billington. He is the Librarian of Congress, and was APPOINTED back in 1987 and has remained in place ever since. The Librarian of Congress isn't a position that is an elected office, and while technically not the same as The Supreme Court, traditionally, the Librarian, once appointed, stays as long as he wants (much like SCotUS). So while I blame voters for many things, this isn't one of them. He has remained Librarian through 5 Presidencies (Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, and now Obama), so politics, and especially voting, has NOTHING to do with this.

Uhh... this individual was appointed by an elected official. And if he wasn't, he was appointed by someone who was appointed by an elected official. You miss the point that every individual in government -- from the President to that kid that runs mail -- can be traced to an elected official.

BTW for the record, you just named 5 mediocre presidents -- for which I blame the voters. In fact, I blame them for every crappy President the US has had -- which is every single one the past 100+ years. Last good President was Grover Cleveland (a democrat btw).
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Please show us all where voters actually voted for corporate personhood, thanks.
It's actually much simpler, it's called ownership. If the government wasn't a subsidiary of the corporations London, Brussels, Washington, all other Western capitals wouldn't be the most corrupt places on the planet. Politicians are corporate slaves.

Time you realised that.

Politicians are corporate slaves? I've never seen slaves so pampered. No, what we have is a very close mutual friendship between corporations and government. A mutual friendship that benefits no one except politicians and corporations.

Where did voters vote for this? The same place they voted themselves all these fancy social programs -- they must not have read the fine print.
Edited by LXXIII - 3/3/13 at 12:09pm
     
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Last good President was Grover Cleveland (a democrat btw).

A Democrat who was very attached to the Constitution and was more "obstructionist" than any Republican presently serving in Congress. Seriously, the guy set a still-standing record for vetoes and his return notes to Congress always included some words to the effect of "this is not Constitutional".
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Jesus Christ, you are dense. Every single officer of the Federal government is sworn to uphold the Constitution, which includes the right to property. The FCC's jurisdiction is communications (obviously), so of course they are interested in making sure the Constitution is enforced where they have the power to make sure it is enforced. Also, I don't see you organizing a million man march on DC to demand a Constitutional amendment that equates passing laws that violate the Constitution to treason and mandates the maximum penalty upon conviction. Do that and you won't see any affronts against the Constitution like the DMCA pass ever again, because no amount of money is worth ending your life strapped to a gurney with a needle in your arm.

God I would love to see the politician, democrat or replublican, that actually truly HONORED the constitution rather than treating it like was a piece of old toilet paper to wipe their behinds with... A lot of LIP service to the constitution yes, actually following it no....
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A Democrat who was very attached to the Constitution and was more "obstructionist" than any Republican presently serving in Congress. Seriously, the guy set a still-standing record for vetoes and his return notes to Congress always included some words to the effect of "this is not Constitutional".

Yup!

Democrats and Republicans, both, hated Grover Cleveland. He refused to play the game.

Unless you think politicians have your best interest at heart, you should love him too.
     
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this is either getting cleaned or locked....
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A large amount of the comments using the old car analogy lol

I just dont like the idea that companies think they can control what I use and how I want to use it, its a but repulsive. We went from owning most of the things we purchased to owning a lease on most of the things we purchased lol

Im glad some kind of investigation will go underway, being treated as a criminal for something like this is also mind blowing, though Im not too sure why the FCC had to get involved?

Basically, it is ours, and they need to get their hands off it. mad.gif
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