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Originally Posted by Rubers View Post

Nah, here in the EU, you OWN the phone. It is yours immediately. However,t he company has massive powers through the courts to force you to pull the full amount of the contract should you think about breaking it.

I.E. If you get a contract, then decide you're not paying anymore, the company can take you to court, the court will find in favour of the company and order you to pay the court costs, and the full amount of the contract immediately, and can assign bailiffs to recover the costs if you don't pay. I had a friend who thought he would do just that. Took out a contract on one network, unlocked the phone, then used his Pas As You Go SIM card and never paid for the phone. 6 months later he had a default judgement against him (as he ignored the letters) for £800. 2 months after that Bailiffs took his car (which was worthless) an he then decided to open up dialogue and agree a payment plan for the remaining £400 (the bailiffs sold his car at an auction, didn't get it's worth).

So, here, you own the phone immediately. It's yours, because you're fully liable for the costs of it. If that's not the case in the US, then the system is flawed.

I believe that in the US it is harder for the telecom companies to go after you should you just decide not to pay. The best they can do is ban the IMEI/ESN number on their network, but that doesn't stop you from using it on another network. I know, because I have a T-mobile phone that was banned on the T-mobile network due to the guy not paying for the phone, but I'm using it on ATT.
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Basically, it is ours, and they need to get their hands off it. mad.gif

Not really. The most similar analogy is that the contract is a loan. It is yours, but technically it belongs to the bank until the loan is paid off in full. Similarly, the phone belongs to the carrier until the contract is paid in full.
Edited by Tsumi - 3/3/13 at 4:32pm
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post #32 of 39
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A large amount of the comments using the old car analogy lol

I just dont like the idea that companies think they can control what I use and how I want to use it, its a but repulsive. We went from owning most of the things we purchased to owning a lease on most of the things we purchased lol

Im glad some kind of investigation will go underway, being treated as a criminal for something like this is also mind blowing, though Im not too sure why the FCC had to get involved?

Nobody is forcing you to lease your cell phone. I think the ban is very fair. You know what you are getting in to when you sign the contract.
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inb4 the lock
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Ow please people. Open your eyes.
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Nobody is forcing you to lease your cell phone. I think the ban is very fair. You know what you are getting in to when you sign the contract.

I dont think every child is educated in the dubious ways of the contract methodology. However I was speaking more from a general standpoint. Cell Phones, Ps3's, 360's, Razers synapse 2.0. We dont actually own our hardware, we pay them to lease what we had previously used to be able to own. Just my opinion on the matter, and your right nobody is forcing me to lease my cell phone, because it isnt leased to begin with, I own it lol. I just dont think its very cool to have companies so far into our lives like they try to...
    
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I believe that in the US it is harder for the telecom companies to go after you should you just decide not to pay. The best they can do is ban the IMEI/ESN number on their network, but that doesn't stop you from using it on another network. I know, because I have a T-mobile phone that was banned on the T-mobile network due to the guy not paying for the phone, but I'm using it on ATT.
Not really. The most similar analogy is that the contract is a loan. It is yours, but technically it belongs to the bank until the loan is paid off in full. Similarly, the phone belongs to the carrier until the contract is paid in full.

IMEI is supposed to be international. All networks are supposed to check the IMEI when it registers a connection on the network, and block it if it's been blacklisted.

Some networks in some countries * cough Pakistan cough cough* don't do this though.

EDIT:

And like I said, it's a flawed system where you don't own the phone... but not in the eyes of big business, which usually comes #1 in the US.
Edited by Rubers - 3/4/13 at 1:43am
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IMEI is supposed to be international. All networks are supposed to check the IMEI when it registers a connection on the network, and block it if it's been blacklisted.

Some networks in some countries * cough Pakistan cough cough* don't do this though.

Like I said, it's a T-mobile phone, and it's blocked on T-mobile, but not blocked on ATT in the US. Same thing happens with ESN phones. Verizon phone blocked? Flash to Sprint, Or Boost, or any number of other small carriers.
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Like I said, it's a T-mobile phone, and it's blocked on T-mobile, but not blocked on ATT in the US. Same thing happens with ESN phones. Verizon phone blocked? Flash to Sprint, Or Boost, or any number of other small carriers.

Yep, like I said, flawed. Here, the only time your IMEI is blacklisted is if it's reported lost, damaged (in the case of an insurance claim) or stolen. If the network blocked your IMEI for non-payment they'd be blocking your legal property without warrant and you could take them to court for acting illegally thumb.gif

It's a shame you guys are ripped off by networks, but then the network system there is mind bogglingly and overly complex.
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You're opposed to this? Really?

No, I'm entirely for corporations having the rights but not the responsibilities of personhood rolleyes.gif

Now, you are for this? Really?
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