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I am going to be water cooling my computer in the near future and have been picking up parts over the last few months when I see good deals. Here is the list for what I have got so far:
• 10x ek psc compression fittings black 10/13mm (3/8" ID, 1/2" OD, G1/4")
• 2x ek psc 45 degree fittings (3/8" ID, 1/2" OD, G1/4")
• 3x ek psc 90 degree fittings (3/8" ID, 1/2" OD, G1/4")
• 1x alphacool 90 degree fitting (3/8" ID, 1/2" OD, G1/4")
• 1x Frozen Q reservoir
• 1x nVidia GTX Geforce 570 KFA2 with water block
The graphics card with water block only cost me £100, was very happy with that deal.

I have got an 800D waiting in my garage for this project so was thinking a 240mm rad in the bottom or the front and then a 360mm rad in the top. But here is what I still need to get and I would love some feedback on parts that I have already got and people to give suggestions on parts that I need to get:
• 1x CPU Block (XSPC Ray storm Intel Block probably)
• 1x 240mm radiator (Alphacool NexXxos XT45 240mm Dual Radiator : Full Copper)
• 1x 360mm radiator (Alphacool NexXxos XT45 360mm Triple Radiator : Full Copper)
• 1x pump (XSPC D5 Vario)
• 1x pump mod kit (Bitspower D5 mod kit)
• 3/8" ID and 1/2" OD tubing (Probably Masterkleer Tubing UV-Active Blue/Clear)
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I forget about radiator fans. I am looking at the phoyba g-silent 1200rpm fans for my radiators. I have read some good reviews on the fans but what do you guys think? Should I get the 1200 RPM model or get a higher or lower model, bearing in mind that I would like to overclock my core i5 2500k but I would also like to keep my pc quiet?
 
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I forget about radiator fans. I am looking at the phoyba g-silent 1200rpm fans for my radiators. I have read some good reviews on the fans but what do you guys think? Should I get the 1200 RPM model or get a higher or lower model, bearing in mind that I would like to overclock my core i5 2500k but I would also like to keep my pc quiet?
 
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You just need a 360 rad for a cpu and gpu but if you want a 240 rad. Go for it.
This is what the loop can look like
I helped a buddy of mine do this to his case


The speed of the fans will be determined on what kind of rad you choose.
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Originally Posted by Juggalo23451 View Post

You just need a 360 rad for a cpu and gpu but if you want a 240 rad.

I am going for the 240 rad just for future plans as I will plan to have an SLI setup in the future.
 
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Originally Posted by jd2195 View Post

I forget about radiator fans. I am looking at the phoyba g-silent 1200rpm fans for my radiators. I have read some good reviews on the fans but what do you guys think? Should I get the 1200 RPM model or get a higher or lower model, bearing in mind that I would like to overclock my core i5 2500k but I would also like to keep my pc quiet?

Who makes, and how thick will your radiators be (You have them just listed as 240 and 360)? That will largely determine what speed and how many fans you want to get.

A thin 25mm or 45mm thick radiator generally needs to use higher speed fans to achieve better cooling than say a 60mm or 80mm thick radiator, which can often get away with 800 or 1000 RPM fans (but personally, I like 1450 RPM fans on them for SERIOUS cooling without being obnoxiously loud).
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A thin 25mm or 45mm thick radiator generally needs to use higher speed fans to achieve better cooling than say a 60mm or 80mm thick radiator, which can often get away with 800 or 1000 RPM fans (but personally, I like 1450 RPM fans on them for SERIOUS cooling without being obnoxiously loud).

I am not sure what type of rads I am going to get yet. What would you suggest getting? Those fans I have chosen come in 4 different fan speeds, 700, 1200, 1600 and 2000RPM so I am pretty flexible as to what thickness radiators.
 
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Well, it your budget can handle a little more $$, I recommend the Alphacool UT60 for a thicker rad or the UT45 for a thinner one in that case. Otherwise, I am a fan (no pun intended) of the XSPC RX for 60mm and RS for 45mm.

They both work great at various speeds, but as I said, I prefer 1450 RPM, but I also have done 1200 and tested them at speeds from 300 to 4240 RPM.

I like the Alphacool because the IMO the finish is nicer and the radiators have multiple ports (unlike the RX and RS line) so you can put your connections just about anywhere). They also have nice "screw stoppers", which are nice for a person new to water cooling so they don't puncture the radiator core with too long a screw.

A great site to look at is: http://martinsliquidlab.org/category/radiators/

Here are some of the ones I would always recommend:

http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/04/12/alphacool-nexxxos-ut60-360-radiator/
http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/04/15/alphacool-nexxxos-xt45-360-radiator/
http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/03/27/xspc-rx360-radiator/
http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/03/27/xspc-rs360-radiator/

And just to look at a quick comparison for various radiators at various RPMs, this is the "one stop look":

http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/04/14/360-radiator-shootout-summary/


Lastly, determining if you want to go with just one set of fans or two, you can look here and see that in some cases, if you want to spend twice as much on fans, you can get very appreciable results by going "push/pull":




As far as noise goes, adding more fans doesn't impact you as much as one may think:
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You know you got computers on the brain when you are laying in bed at 2 in the morning and suddenly think to yourself ... OMG, how loud will this thing be? Should I have ordered 18 AP-13 or AP-12 fans instead?

Well, after running some numbers, it really doesn't matter much. Pretty much the most noise will be generated from the 2 MCP655 pumps, which puts out about 33dBA each.

9 800RPM fans AP-12 @ 9dBA = 18.54dBA (36.08dBA w/2 MCP655 pumps) = 28.25 CFM per = ~120 Watts @ 10C
18 800RPM fans AP-12 @ 9dBA = 21.52dBA (36.15dBA w/2 MCP655 pumps) = 28.25 CFM per = ~140 Watts @ 10C

9 1150RPM fans AP-13 @ 16dBA = 25.54dBA (36.37dBA w/2 MCP655 pumps) = 37 CFM per = ~160 Watts @ 10C
18 1150RPM fans AP-13 @ 16dBA = 28.52dBA (36.72dBA w/2 MCP655 pumps) = 37 CFM per = ~190 Watts @ 10C

9 1450RPM fans AP-14 @ 21dBA = 30.54dBA (37.08dBA w/2 MCP655 pumps) = 50 CFM per = ~215 Watts @ 10C
18 1450RPM fans AP-14 @ 21dBA = 33.52dBA (37.94dBA w/2 MCP655 pumps) = 50 CFM per = ~260 Watts @ 10C


For those that don't already have this site, you might want to book mark it. It is simply wonderful for calculating noise.

Combining decibels - up to 10 levels
Combining decibels − up to 30 levels
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Thanks for all that information. I will have a look at martins liquid lab now. I have looked at the alphacool previously and they do appeal to me. I will have a look around at other radiators. I am not too keen on push pull. I do not much like the look of push pull and I am not too fussed about the small performance increase.
 
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Anyone got a any good suggestions for pumps I know all of the obvious ones and have looked at martinsliquidlab but am still undecided. I would like a pump that is quite quiet so I will probably go with a Swiftech MCP655 Watercooling Pump - w/ Speed Controller, does anyone know anything better?
 
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