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a good survey doesn't have to. I don't know of any surveyors that actually try to poll EVERY single person in the population. Take a few statistics classes and you'll see where I'm coming from.

Welling having taken a few statistics classes I will tell you this. Percentages with out numbers is pointless. Steam does not make there statistic number pool easily avaible. So is it 10 people? 100 people? 1 million people?

Because 8% of 10 people is just nothing. But 8% of 1 million people is...still pretty poor. There is no word on how many they test or what procures they test on.

Like most polls it may be just people that are not bothered by polls getting tested.

I remember a forum post from a Steam moderator saying that the percentage of members polled in the survey is a joke of a figure, so no @ the person that responded to me. The small, random sample is a fail as far as Steam survey goes due to the huge number of Steam members there are. Say they poll 1 million out of 20 million members now and then next month poll another 1 million (but different) members. The results are obviously going to be entirely different. We can't draw any sort of conclusion from these surveys. You can't just say "hurr durr hurr Windows 8 is clearly a flop" when at least 95% of Steam members aren't even polled and/or opt out of being polled. IMO these surveys should just be a standard requirement of being a Steam member. No personal information is collected, there's no reason to opt out. Inb4 some obnoxious comment about it: you're guaranteed to have already given Steam your credit card information at some point, invalidating anything one could have against a simple scan to participate in a hardware/software survey.
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post #52 of 60
Linux = OPENGL
PS4 = OPENGL

PS4 = x86 AMD APU
Linux = X86 AMD APU / Dedicated cards

Sony accounts already able to login to Steam = Sony + Valve partially in bed together


Linux / Steam box = More and More ports from Consoles of AAA Titles not needing Direct X and more often than not As efficient as the console version itself.

"Potentially" Special platform titles avaliable through steam ? little big planet ? kill zone ?


A good step forward thumb.gif
post #53 of 60
Still have an old ACES machine with 32bit XP in my office at work.
But I think its days are numbered from the planned refresh,
too bad they don't have numbers on windows 3.1 or windows 98 X-D
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I remember a forum post from a Steam moderator saying that the percentage of members polled in the survey is a joke of a figure, so no @ the person that responded to me. The small, random sample is a fail as far as Steam survey goes due to the huge number of Steam members there are. Say they poll 1 million out of 20 million members now and then next month poll another 1 million (but different) members. The results are obviously going to be entirely different. We can't draw any sort of conclusion from these surveys. You can't just say "hurr durr hurr Windows 8 is clearly a flop" when at least 95% of Steam members aren't even polled and/or opt out of being polled. IMO these surveys should just be a standard requirement of being a Steam member. No personal information is collected, there's no reason to opt out. Inb4 some obnoxious comment about it: you're guaranteed to have already given Steam your credit card information at some point, invalidating anything one could have against a simple scan to participate in a hardware/software survey.


I'm sure Valve has professionals doing that kind of work, after all they rely on it to determine what kind of hardware they should design their games around. True, they didn't pay much attention to it before a year ago, when some stats were wrong and they didn't update it often, but now they update it every month and seem to be paying more attention to it. If they are applying the best in class poll science, it doesn't really matter if on one occasion they get the results from one user / computer and the next time from a different user / computer, they most probably have algorithms to detect and avoid having large discrepancies, especially when things go backwards, I'm sure they collect a much larger number of surveys and then use a selection of those for the official survey.

Also, I don't agree with the survey being mandatory, and just to prove you wrong about your "obnoxious comment" assumption, I use a secure system that generates electronic debit cards on demand with just the amount of money (or slightly more to account for eventual discrepancies in exchange rates in the case of buying in a foreign currency) you want to spend, which acts as a firewall between the world and my account, so no, just no, you're wrong.
Edited by tpi2007 - 3/4/13 at 9:41am
 
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I saw a total of 3.56% for OSX and a total of 1.12% Ubuntus and 0.76% 'other'.
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I wonder if the Linux users statistics are artificially inflated due to TF2 players logging in once to claim their TUX. Anyway in regards to Windows 8 numbers - It's not like they are going to decrease, it's the adoption rate thats the interesting statistic.

I logged in TF2 on Ubuntu and tried to play, but performance was terrible using both the default video drivers and after a clean install of the open source ones. Noticeable jitters and laggy gameplay. I tried so hard to like it frown.gif.
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I logged in TF2 on Ubuntu and tried to play, but performance was terrible using both the default video drivers and after a clean install of the open source ones. Noticeable jitters and laggy gameplay. I tried so hard to like it frown.gif.

Plays smooth as butter for me thumb.gif
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If Valve didn't think these polls were indicative of anything, I'm pretty sure they would either seize taking these polls or just keep it internal....
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If Valve didn't think these polls were indicative of anything, I'm pretty sure they would either seize taking these polls or just keep it internal....

To THEM of course it is, especially considering they can probably see whether members in the survey have been in previous surveys and also see their previous results. But in my opinion to someone that would really like to see trends in operating system/hardware adoption rate it's no good. "10%" of anything could mean anything. 10 people out of 100? Yea, way to draw an approximate conclusion there. I think I haven't seen a survey prompt in over a year. I don't see why they wouldn't just offer everyone an option in Steam to enable or disable monthly surveying (enabled by default) as it's a pretty automated process, and actually reveal how MANY people are in each month's survey.

I tried TF2 on Ubuntu as well and was totally let down by the performance. I don't really like the OS as an everyday desktop OS anyways though.
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It makes sense that W8 is at least beating XP.

Someone upgrades their videocard or system to something newer, wants DX11 so he moves from XP to W7 or W8. it's bound to happen. I mean come on guys XP is over a decade old now (years before Mac went Intel). Time to move on, as the steam survey shows.
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