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Nerfing basically means: "To make worse."

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Originally Posted by Gil80 View Post

What do you mean by Nvidia nerfing? sounds like milfing to me biggrin.gif

lol...
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@Gil80: Sorry about using slang - basically, except for the TItan, the GTX600 series has limited GPU compute abilities vs. the previous generation (GTX500) and the base Keplar design. If you want more information / details, Titan reviews can give you a much better explanation than I.

The Titan is so expensive because it is a MUCH bigger chip and full Keplar GPU compute abilities. Even then it's not a fully enabled Kepler design (Titan/K20x (Tesla) have 14/15 SMX units). The GTX680 has 8 total SMX units in comparison. Because a Titan GPU is so much larger than a GTX680 GPU, you get less Titan GPUs per silicon wafer = more expensive. Also, IMO NVIDIA put a bigger price premium on the Titan because of its GPU compute capability (which BTW is disabled by default - you have to enable it in the drivers and doing so lowers clock speed to 732MHz (or close to that)), and there's no competition for it as a SINGLE GPU card. If AMD somehow came out with the "7970EX" (i.e. 7970 with more cores) which, as a SINGLE GPU, performed at Titan levels (and wasn't any hotter than a normal 7970 rolleyes.gif), I bet Titan prices would drop $200, maybe more. You always end up paying extra for "best in class."

The GTX780 is a refresh design of the GTX680 and thus is expected to have the same number of SMX units (8) = about the same size GPU as GTX680. It may have restored GPU compute, but even if it does, that won't increase size anywhere close to a Titan since it still would have only 8 SMX units compared to the Titan's 14. Think of it this way, the GTX780 is to the GTX680 as the GTX580 was to the GTX480 (ignoring possible GPU compute changes). The GTX580 was about the same price as the GTX480 when the GTX480 was release. Therefore I expect the GTX780 will be priced about the same as the GTX680 when it was released = $500-550 (US).

If you want to add some "fun" tongue.gif into all of this, consider that if the GTX780 = a refined GTX680, wouldn't that mean that such refinements (at least in part) could also be applied to the Titan? Just as refinements in Fermi allowed for the entire chip to be enabled in the GTX580 along with lower temps/better clock speed, could we see a 15 SMX unit (2880 cores) with 1000MHz base clock Titan before the end of the year? How much would THAT cost and would the extra cores + higher base clock be enough to almost equal (say 95%) a GTX690?

As a general rule, I really don't "vote" for either AMD or NVIDIA. It's just that I value GPU compute to some extent, and with the GTX680's limitations (which is purely a NVIDIA decision - not by Kepler design), the AMD Radeon 7970 on paper is a better card/value for me. Unfortunately, due to software limitations (i.e. stuff I use doesn't work or work well with Radeons), in reality I'm limited to NVIDIA unless I am willing to forgo GPU acceleration for some software (NOT happening - like watching paint dry) or change software completely (sadly, no good alternatives yet).

Hope this helps to clarify.
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Hi. Thanks for the detailed reply!

So would you rather enable the extra GPU compute power for Titan on the expense of lower clock? At the end will that benefit more FPS? (if that's one of the things you're after).

After reading about it a lot, and then with your comment, I do think that a pair of 7970 will be better than a pair of 680. But I guess I will save up for 1 GTX Titan.
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So would you rather enable the extra GPU compute power for Titan on the expense of lower clock? At the end will that benefit more FPS? (if that's one of the things you're after).

RE your question: NO - GPU compute will NOT help gaming FPS. Enabling GPU compute on a Titan will only LOWER gaming FPS because of the lower mandatory clock speed. FYI - GPU compute helps with things like folding, image/video editing & encoding (ex. Photoshop, PremierPro, Sony Vegas Pro, some avisynth filters, etc.) along with professional number crunching (engineering/finance/science). There's a few other things (bitcoin mining, blah, blah), but if you primarily game, I wouldn't worry about GPU compute too much. .
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After reading about it a lot, and then with your comment, I do think that a pair of 7970 will be better than a pair of 680. But I guess I will save up for 1 GTX Titan.

After reading some other posts, it seems that the "best" deal right now is actually the Radeon 7950 Boost. It comes very close to matching a 7970 with it's higher clock speed, though obviously a 7970 beats it clock per clock. 2x7950 Boost might = 2xGTX680 (just make sure you get 3GB 7950s).

As for the Titan, unless you're doing a lot of image/video editing & encoding (AND your software won't work/work well with AMD - my issue) or something else that requires strong GPU compute/acceleration ability, OR you don't like SLI/Crossfire or can't fit in you case, OR the games you play don't support SLI (older game mostly, but those probably are not that demanding anyway), OR spending $1000 on a graphic card isn't really that a big deal for you, I can't really recommend the Titan. I'm considering it because I do some video/imaging stuff (and software works with NVIDIA), and SLI/Crossfire is tough to fit in my case. Even so, given the Titan's overall performance, justifying the cost is tough for me to do.

My plan right now is to wait a bit (waited long enough already LOL), and see what non-reference Titans are released as well as if there's any update on NVIDIA's next gen release. Some speculate June for the GTX780. If the GTX780 is actually released by summer AND has full GPU compute like the Titan AND 384bit memory interface (i.e same thing as Titan, but just fewer SMX units and 3GB VRAM), I'll get that and start saving up for Maxwell (gah - it never ends! tongue.gif). I'm sure the Titan will be better than GTX780 regardless (more SMX units), but at what I expect to be 1/2 the price of a Titan, the GTX780 (with those specs) is the better value (IMO). I'm planning on upgrading my system as well as graphics card (Ivy Bridge-E) so $500 or so matters. If a stock non-reference Titan somehow gave the same or close to (95%) gaming performance of a GTX690, then perhaps I'll get that and hold until Maxwell refresh. *sigh* It would be a lot easier if I had more money biggrin.gif

For someone like you that (AFAIK) doesn't need GPU compute (or no GPU compute software compatibility issues - folding works just fine on AMD), I think 2x Radeon7950 Boost makes more sense than saving up for a Titan. Just make sure to get good non-reference, 3GB GDDR cards. That should serve you better for gaming even when you do go to 1440p/120Hz. Plus, the savings will help to buy that 120Hz monitor you want. thumb.gif
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