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I was affected by the P67 Sandy issue. Not interested in early adopting Haswell.
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What is this ? Just because you can't handle a quote from the article that contradicts your rationale doesn't mean you can go call me dude in response. From the article, we can't have definitive evidence that more serious problems won't be acknowledged. You prefer to stick your head in the sand and pretend everything is ok, I would like to reiterate my point that the SB launch didn't go well and they only acknowledged the problem afterwards, so if that is anything to go by, and it is recent history, you can't discard that they can eventually acknowledge some more serious issue after you were supposedly given time to make an informed decision.

AFAIK nobody said this problem is good, all they said is that their usage pattern means they wouldn't be affected by this issue. You are the one of the few who are postulating this problem could be much worse than what Intel acknowledged so far. Unlike the Sandy SATA bug(which was not caught by Intel but by a Mobo manufacture AFAIK) and the SB-E stepping update the problem was acknowledged by Intel 3 month before release and they are actively working on a solution.

Ofc having this happening just after the Ivy TIM fiasco, the SB-E stepping change & the Sandy SATA bug doesn't improve Intel's image.
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AFAIK nobody said this problem is good, all they said is that their usage pattern means they wouldn't be affected by this issue. You are the one of the few who are postulating this problem could possibly much worse than what Intel acknowledged so far. Unlike the Sandy SATA bug and the SB-E stepping update the problem was publicized by Intel 3 month before release and they are actively working on a solution.

Ofc having this happening just after the Ivy TIM fiasco, the SB-E stepping change & the Sandy SATA bug doesn't improve Intel's image.


I'm not postulating anything! I'm quoting the article!
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even if the company is still researching what other consequences this issue can possibly have.

Now imagine that they only reach the conclusion that after all there more issues after the product is released. If the issue is still being investigated for more potential problems, you have to admit the possibility, especially, as they admit, this is a hardware problem that can't be solved with a BIOS / driver update, so only a new CPU stepping will solve the problem. So, my advice to early adopters is to be extra cautious when making a buying decision, this may not be the only problem.
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So... When it sleeps, it kills USB 3.0 activity? Oh well.
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I'm not postulating anything! I'm quoting the article!
Now imagine that they only reach the conclusion that after all there is a serious issue afterwards the product is released. If the issue is still being investigated for more potential problems, you have to admit the possibility, especially, as they admit, this is a hardware problem that can't be solved with a BIOS / driver update, so only a new CPU stepping will solve the problem.


I also have to admit the possibility that more serious issues don't exist. Which in your logic equates to "sticking one's head in the Sand".

Having thing like this smearing the Haswell launch certainly is not good news for Intel, not with AMD getting bigger in the rear view mirror with Kaveri & Steamroller.
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Makes me feel like the old 775 days of me having to scour for E0 stepping E8400s.
Guess ill be waiting a bit longer for whenever the revisions are....
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I'm not postulating anything! I'm quoting the article!
Now imagine that they only reach the conclusion that after all there is a serious issue afterwards the product is released. If the issue is still being investigated for more potential problems, you have to admit the possibility, especially, as they admit, this is a hardware problem that can't be solved with a BIOS / driver update, so only a new CPU stepping will solve the problem.


I also have to admit the possibility that more serious issues don't exist. Which in your logic equates to "sticking one's neck in the Sand".

Having thing like this smearing the Haswell launch certainly is not good news for Intel, not with AMD getting bigger in the rear view mirror with Karvari & Steamroller.


Your analogy doesn't make any sense. First of all, it's "head in the sand" not "neck", lol, secondly, you're admitting to something that does you absolutely no benefit, taking into consideration what they said about still being investigating if there can be more problems, you're much better off taking a cautious stance for now, and probably even in the first few months after Haswell is released. So, unless you actually meant that you and not me, were sticking your head in the sand, then you are wrong.

(Oh, just another correction, it's Kaveri, not Karvari.)
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Your analogy doesn't make any sense. First of all, it's "head in the sand" not "neck", secondly, you're admitting to something that does you absolutely no benefit, you're much better off taking a cautious stance for now, and probably even in the first few months after Haswell is released. So, unless you actually meant that you and not me, were sticking your head in the sand, then you are wrong.

We see the same article, you choose the pessimistic interpretation (It could be more serious than what Intel says it is now), I chose the cautiously optimistic interpretation (It is a good thing the problem is discovered early). I was not interested in being an early adopter anyway, not with motherboard prices being higher at launch than a few month later, early stage Bios, and limited range of options as most manufactures holding their flagship products back.
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Are we really justifying and making excuses for this?
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Are we really justifying and making excuses for this?

I don't see "justifying & making excuses", this issue, like the Ivy TIM, the SB-E stepping update, and SB SATA bug are faults of Intel and are inexcusable. However, silver lining for this is that it was discovered now and Intel is already investigating what other problem it may cause along with a fix to this.
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