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The only way to make your keyboard faster would be to use mechanical switches like cherry browns with a native PS/2 connector.
I'm not a fan of USB to PS/2 adapters.
    
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Not what i'm talking about and no, you are absolutely wrong on that also. But that was then.




I am asking a genuine question, looking for genuine answers. Just because everyone is thinking i'm looking for actual keyboard stroke speed adjustments (ie me physically using my finger, or a device to repeatedly press said key's repeatedly, is not what i'm looking for).

I'm literally looking for where in the registry, or otherwise would I modify min/max of keyboard responsiveness. I am on usb, not ps2, not serial or otherwise.

I know the difference between keyboard's, and have used multiple editions. I have the G15 by Logi. Older series of it, (better in my opinion, but that's mine for myself, not debating it to anyone).

I am not looking to speed up the keyboard, or shorten the usb cable, etc... I'm looking to literally tweak the windows OS, or linux OS, etc, and force it to accept it faster.

I use the G1-G18 macro's to "auto command" a multitude of keystrokes. But they still appear at the fastest of 0.5 seconds apart. I watch it, it occurs. I've manually inputted it, (not the record feature, the manual in the logitech software section). And it still doesn't "go fast enough". I'm literally watching the effects of it, and it's still not fast enough.

Again, not up for debates or shenanigan's, spamming this thread. I'm looking for actual solid discussion, let's find out how to do this, discover newer way's to "overclock", by speeding up any part of computers possible.

This is my goal, to ever always seek overclocking potential to the maximum of the equipment I have at my disposal currently. I'm not looking for "it's impossible", as I've defeated the impossible quite often in my life. (medical living proof also).

Regards,

- Le_Loup
Edited by Le_Loup - 3/4/13 at 2:41pm
    
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post #13 of 29
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Originally Posted by Shrimpykins View Post

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Not what i'm talking about and no, you are absolutely wrong on that also. But that was then.




I am asking a genuine question, looking for genuine answers. Just because everyone is thinking i'm looking for actual keyboard stroke speed adjustments (ie me physically using my finger, or a device to repeatedly press said key's repeatedly, is not what i'm looking for).

I'm literally looking for where in the registry, or otherwise would I modify min/max of keyboard responsiveness. I am on usb, not ps2, not serial or otherwise.

I know the difference between keyboard's, and have used multiple editions. I have the G15 by Logi. Older series of it, (better in my opinion, but that's mine for myself, not debating it to anyone).

I am not looking to speed up the keyboard, or shorten the usb cable, etc... I'm looking to literally tweak the windows OS, or linux OS, etc, and force it to accept it faster.

I use the G1-G18 macro's to "auto command" a multitude of keystrokes. But they still appear at the fastest of 0.5 seconds apart. I watch it, it occurs. I've manually inputted it, (not the record feature, the manual in the logitech software section). And it still doesn't "go fast enough". I'm literally watching the effects of it, and it's still not fast enough.

Again, not up for debates or shenanigan's, spamming this thread. I'm looking for actual solid discussion, let's find out how to do this, discover newer way's to "overclock", by speeding up any part of computers possible.

This is my goal, to ever always seek overclocking potential to the maximum of the equipment I have at my disposal currently. I'm not looking for "it's impossible", as I've defeated the impossible quite often in my life. (medical living proof also).

Regards,

- Le_Loup

The time between using a macro key and seeing what the macro key is programmed to output will obviously be longer than for a standard key.

The macro software has to realise what button has been pressed, look up to see what you've programmed it to, then output the all the letters in the right order.

I owned a G11 and a G19 and recognise that there is noticeable lag between pressing the macro key and the string being outputted, but for normal keys there is no way you could possible see the delay between pressing a key and it appearing, unless your rig is under exceptionally heavy load and starts lagging.

I think what you are talking about is optimising the macro software so the time it takes to recognise the key and output the string is less, I have no idea how you would be able to do such a thing though, it sounds to me like something that could only be solved by writing your own super efficient macro software.

As that is probably an impossible task, have you tried a couple of different macro programs? You might be able to find one that's more efficient than what you are using at the moment.
post #14 of 29
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Originally Posted by Le_Loup View Post

Not what i'm talking about and no, you are absolutely wrong on that also. But that was then.




I am asking a genuine question, looking for genuine answers. Just because everyone is thinking i'm looking for actual keyboard stroke speed adjustments (ie me physically using my finger, or a device to repeatedly press said key's repeatedly, is not what i'm looking for).

I'm literally looking for where in the registry, or otherwise would I modify min/max of keyboard responsiveness. I am on usb, not ps2, not serial or otherwise.

I know the difference between keyboard's, and have used multiple editions. I have the G15 by Logi. Older series of it, (better in my opinion, but that's mine for myself, not debating it to anyone).

I am not looking to speed up the keyboard, or shorten the usb cable, etc... I'm looking to literally tweak the windows OS, or linux OS, etc, and force it to accept it faster.

I use the G1-G18 macro's to "auto command" a multitude of keystrokes. But they still appear at the fastest of 0.5 seconds apart. I watch it, it occurs. I've manually inputted it, (not the record feature, the manual in the logitech software section). And it still doesn't "go fast enough". I'm literally watching the effects of it, and it's still not fast enough.

Again, not up for debates or shenanigan's, spamming this thread. I'm looking for actual solid discussion, let's find out how to do this, discover newer way's to "overclock", by speeding up any part of computers possible.

This is my goal, to ever always seek overclocking potential to the maximum of the equipment I have at my disposal currently. I'm not looking for "it's impossible", as I've defeated the impossible quite often in my life. (medical living proof also).

Regards,

- Le_Loup

Dude no.
There's a reason you are getting this type of advice.

Keyboard input is done at a very very very low level in BIOS.
Keyboard input has a very high priority interrupt...so even if your computer is performing a task the keyboard should be able to still function.

BIOS has no keyboard settings.
Windows has keyboard repeat delay and repeat rate settings.

PS/2 is probably faster than USB because USB has a device that identifies it to the BIOS and then talks to your PC from then on out.
Probably the only time you will notice this is at boot...on some systems it is difficult to get a USB keyboard to react fast enough to get into BIOS.

The speed of your keyboard is about the only thing you can do anything about.
The speed of the switches etc.

Anyway you look at it your solution is in hardware.
So.....to make your keyboard faster.....throw it in the trash and buy a faster keyboard.
    
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It sounds like people aren't really understanding the OP's issue.

As I understand it, his problem is that his G15's macro execution system is too slow when executing a sequence of commands-- not that it's too slow to respond to a physical keypress, whether on a regular key or a macro key. I've seen this issue with other peripherals: for instance, you'll try and make a macro that, as near as possible to instantaneously, creates a 10x10 grid of evenly spaced clicks, and instead of getting a grid of clicks (that you could use to, for instance, select a hard-to-select object), you hit the button and you see the mouse cursor move, click, move, click...etc.

Unfortunately, I don't know how to solve the problem, short of looking around until you find something with a macro system that's faster-- I don't know of any way to overclock a keyboard's onboard processor, or even if that would result in faster execution of long macros (the limiting factor might be something else). Still, it's definitely an area where there is at least theoretical room for improvement, and it should be regarded as a real question.
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It sounds like people aren't really understanding the OP's issue.

As I understand it, his problem is that his G15's macro execution system is too slow when executing a sequence of commands-- not that it's too slow to respond to a physical keypress, whether on a regular key or a macro key. I've seen this issue with other peripherals: for instance, you'll try and make a macro that, as near as possible to instantaneously, creates a 10x10 grid of evenly spaced clicks, and instead of getting a grid of clicks (that you could use to, for instance, select a hard-to-select object), you hit the button and you see the mouse cursor move, click, move, click...etc.

Unfortunately, I don't know how to solve the problem, short of looking around until you find something with a macro system that's faster-- I don't know of any way to overclock a keyboard's onboard processor, or even if that would result in faster execution of long macros (the limiting factor might be something else). Still, it's definitely an area where there is at least theoretical room for improvement, and it should be regarded as a real question.

As a user of a G15 and G510 keyboard and keypads I have never experienced anything like what he is trying to describe. Unless they have changed how the software work's he's pebkac'ing his self.
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It sounds like people aren't really understanding the OP's issue.

As I understand it, his problem is that his G15's macro execution system is too slow when executing a sequence of commands-- not that it's too slow to respond to a physical keypress, whether on a regular key or a macro key. I've seen this issue with other peripherals: for instance, you'll try and make a macro that, as near as possible to instantaneously, creates a 10x10 grid of evenly spaced clicks, and instead of getting a grid of clicks (that you could use to, for instance, select a hard-to-select object), you hit the button and you see the mouse cursor move, click, move, click...etc.

Unfortunately, I don't know how to solve the problem, short of looking around until you find something with a macro system that's faster-- I don't know of any way to overclock a keyboard's onboard processor, or even if that would result in faster execution of long macros (the limiting factor might be something else). Still, it's definitely an area where there is at least theoretical room for improvement, and it should be regarded as a real question.

It's mostly related to the input delay timing of the macro, yes. However, regardless if it's macro related, disabling the repeat delay all together in the registry of windows, etc. Basically all options i'm trying to explore.

I liked the mechanical idea, might explore that possibly. I'm basically trying to get the best speed, reaction wise "available to me", regardless my skills, or lack of in comparison to some god speed typers in the world.

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As a user of a G15 and G510 keyboard and keypads I have never experienced anything like what he is trying to describe. Unless they have changed how the software work's he's pebkac'ing his self.

Not pebkac, rofl.. And depends which G15 you have, as they have a couple similar but different models. Basically i'm seeing it perform "as it should", but I want to try and make it better. You can't shoot me for trying, please?

- Le_Loup

*Edit*

Simplest example...

Perceive you and a dozen people repeatedly pressing the letter A

AAAAAAAA

Continually... now that's fun and all... But my goal is to eliminate the delay's period. So that it's faster then i can see. (And I can see the difference in response rate on a 60,120,240,600hz tv's... no joke, I can, very few people can. I just do... It's amazing). But really, just trying to make it go faster then I can visually see. Beating my own ability to witness.
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It's mostly related to the input delay timing of the macro, yes. However, regardless if it's macro related, disabling the repeat delay all together in the registry of windows, etc. Basically all options i'm trying to explore.

I liked the mechanical idea, might explore that possibly. I'm basically trying to get the best speed, reaction wise "available to me", regardless my skills, or lack of in comparison to some god speed typers in the world.
Not pebkac, rofl.. And depends which G15 you have, as they have a couple similar but different models. Basically i'm seeing it perform "as it should", but I want to try and make it better. You can't shoot me for trying, please?

- Le_Loup

*Edit*

Simplest example...

Perceive you and a dozen people repeatedly pressing the letter A

AAAAAAAA

Continually... now that's fun and all... But my goal is to eliminate the delay's period. So that it's faster then i can see. (And I can see the difference in response rate on a 60,120,240,600hz tv's... no joke, I can, very few people can. I just do... It's amazing). But really, just trying to make it go faster then I can visually see. Beating my own ability to witness.


please tell you your not gaming on a TV with the 120,240 or 600Hz mode's on....
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please tell you your not gaming on a TV with the 120,240 or 600Hz mode's on....

Presently not, lol... I have tried it, they're alot of fun. But really thinking wise, my prev post stands. Especially since it seems that's all you got outta it.
    
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Presently not, lol... I have tried it, they're alot of fun. But really thinking wise, my prev post stands. Especially since it seems that's all you got outta it.

I read it and I'm still not convinced your serious. How could anyone game on a TV with one of the interpolation modes.... input lag is disgusting.


Anyway back to your other post..

First off, Why would 12 people need to press the A button repeatedly?

What controlled action are you trying to accomplish by doing this? As in what real world situation would you(or anyone for that matter) need "this"?

Lastly, There is nothing to overclock... There is no "bottleneck" to remove, hence nothing to overclock.

As far as I can tell your looking to replicate "turbo mode" off old "custom" console controller's, It was pointless then and pointless now redface.gif
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