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post #1 of 37
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I have built several machines but never one with water cooling.

Here is my setup:

Case: Rosewill Thor V2
MOB: ASRock Z77 Extreme 4
CPU: Intel i5 - 3570 IVY Bridge (planning to Overclock to 3.8 GHz)
GPU: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950 3GB
PSU: Cosair Pro Gold AX850
MEM: 2 8 GB G Skill RipJaws 2133
HD: 3 which 1 is the WD VelociRaptor

I am looking to cool the CPU, GPU, and possible the Chipset. The fan array in the case allows for a Dual 140mm or Dual 120mm Rad setup at the top. The Side panel could allow for 2 Dual 140mm or 2 Dual 120mm Rad setup or a 1 Dual 140mm or 1 Dual 120mm plus a single 140mm or 120mm. I would prefer to leave the 230mm fan on the side panel. If I really need another Rad, I could add a single 140mm to the rear.

What is your recommendation for setup?
Is the 850 PSU enough for water cooling plus the other components?
What Rads and Fans do you recommend for the push pull setup?
Should all the rads being push pulling the air from inside the case to the outside?

Here is what I have so far for the loop:

Pump: Swiftech MCP 355 and new Top XSPC DDC1T/1T Plus MCP 355 (allow for 1/2" tubing)
Res: XSPC 5.25" Bay Res
CPU Block: Koolance CPU 380I
GPU Block: HeatKiller GPU 79X0 and backplate
Chipset (if I can fit it in): Koolance CHC 125

I know I need fittings and tubing but if there is something I need please let me know. And any other suggestions.

Thanks
Bocko
post #2 of 37
Don't take this the wrong way!

Cooling your GPU, CPU, and Chipset is going to cost you a lot of money (not saying you don't have it)

Ask yourself if you are going to be overclocking your card and cpu to a point where you will really need to WC your chipset and gpu. If your gpu is loud, then yeah WC would be awesome due to nice low temps and no sound buzzing from your HSF!

The reason I say it's going to cost a lot is because you will definately need multiple rads, a very strong pump, and all the accessories in between. The thin radiators mean you'll need higher rpm fans and more of them due to less surface area. Larger radiators require slower rpm fans due to more surface area.

My opinion is if you get a nice XSPC system or Swiftech or a kit that you can modify, you will definitely enjoy the results, but if you are set on water cooling everything, be prepared to shell out hundreds of dollars, and not just a couple.

The MCP 355 is Nominal discharge (@ 12 V): ~ 120 GPH (454 LPH) and would have trouble with anything more than the CPU
Edited by MegaHertz - 3/4/13 at 7:10pm
post #3 of 37
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Thanks MegaHertz for the response. Not taken wrong at all. I appreciate your honesty on the subject that is why I posted the question. I usually overclock my cpu but not the gpu because I find the gpu does not last as long as I would like so I have not been doing it. I wanted to start overclocking both so that is why I started to think about water cooling.

I looked at the single cpu kits but I thought this was limiting myself. If I were to look at the kits I can modify what do you recommend? Or if I just water cooled the cpu and gpu, what do you recommend? I would do a heatsink and fan for the chipset.

Thanks
Bocko
post #4 of 37
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If I were not to water cool, what heatsink fan do you recommend?

Thanks
Bocko
Edited by bocko57 - 3/4/13 at 7:45pm
post #5 of 37
I am just getting into WC as well and and learning slowly.

I know that WC chipsets adds nothing but looks and was told pointless. I agreed.
post #6 of 37
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Originally Posted by bocko57 View Post

Thanks MegaHertz for the response. Not taken wrong at all. I appreciate your honesty on the subject that is why I posted the question. I usually overclock my cpu but not the gpu because I find the gpu does not last as long as I would like so I have not been doing it. I wanted to start overclocking both so that is why I started to think about water cooling.

I looked at the single cpu kits but I thought this was limiting myself. If I were to look at the kits I can modify what do you recommend? Or if I just water cooled the cpu and gpu, what do you recommend? I would do a heatsink and fan for the chipset.

Thanks
Bocko

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/18763/ex-wat-245/XSPC_Raystorm_750_RX360_Extreme_Universal_CPU_Water_Cooling_Kit_New_Rev_4_Pump_Includedw_Free_Dead-Water.html
With these XSPC kits, you have a solid foundation / future. You can customize it, keep it stock, add to it, and you'll never lose a part.
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/16931/ex-res-416/XSPC_Twin_D5_Dual_525_Bay_Clear_Reservoir_w_Twin_XSPC_D5_Variable_Pumps_Installed.html
This is the strongest pump they make, getting a D5 kit would cost a bit more but you would be able to definitely cool multiple blocks in your loop.
You could get smaller radiators but as long as you get the XSPC kit that comes with the X20 pump, you'll have a good pump and a good starting system.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/13884/ex-res-300/XSPC_Dual_525_Bay_Clear_Reservoir_-_w_D5_Variant_Pump_Installed.html - sorry I gave you a link to a dual d5 pump res!

If it helps, look at what those kits come with, and see if you find seperate/similar/better parts for cheaper and you can fully customize your kit.
I wish you the best of luck and hope some more experienced WC'ers come by and give you some better info/help than I can smile.gif

Only advice I can give that is guaranteed is, take your time, the more time you spend researching the better.
post #7 of 37
I agree that a mobo block, or chipset block adds no performance. Do it for fun or for bling, but don't do it expecting a performance increase.
And that pump is sufficient to supply flow for all your components, including mobo block if you still go for it.

As for rads, it's not true that thinner rads will require high speed fans. In fact at low speed, the fans have trouble creating enough pressure to push air through thick rads but can do the job just fine on thin rads.

I recommend Gentle Typhoon fans and Alphacool Full Copper rads. Go as thick as you can but make sure to leave enough room for push/pull ...if possible. Push/pull is more important than rad thickness. I think you would do just fine with the ST30 rad. Great performer, especially at low speeds below 1000 rpm.

I prefer if all my rads are set to either pull air into the case, or push air out. If you have some pulling air in and others pushing air out, you end up loosing a lot of performance on the ones pushing air out because they are using warmer used up air from the other rads.
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Again, your pump is sufficient for your needs. You don't need to buy a stronger pump, especially if you already own that DCC you listed in your OP.
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Originally Posted by PepeLapiu View Post

I agree that a mobo block, or chipset block adds no performance. Do it for fun or for bling, but don't do it expecting a performance increase.
And that pump is sufficient to supply flow for all your components, including mobo block if you still go for it.

As for rads, it's not true that thinner rads will require high speed fans. In fact at low speed, the fans have trouble creating enough pressure to push air through thick rads but can do the job just fine on thin rads.

I recommend Gentle Typhoon fans and Alphacool Full Copper rads. Go as thick as you can but make sure to leave enough room for push/pull ...if possible. Push/pull is more important than rad thickness. I think you would do just fine with the ST30 rad. Great performer, especially at low speeds below 1000 rpm.

I prefer if all my rads are set to either pull air into the case, or push air out. If you have some pulling air in and others pushing air out, you end up loosing a lot of performance on the ones pushing air out because they are using warmer used up air from the other rads.

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Again, your pump is sufficient for your needs. You don't need to buy a stronger pump, especially if you already own that DCC you listed in your OP.

Don't give the OP wrong information.
You're right, thinner rads won't require high speed fans, they'll just run your loop hotter due to less surface area, which is why the kits give you high speed fans with thin rads and low speed fans with high rads.

A 350L/ph pump is not going to run a CPU and GPU, if the OP went by this he would probably have higher temps then he has now. Especially after he OC's.
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Don't give the OP wrong information.
You're right, thinner rads won't require high speed fans, they'll just run your loop hotter due to less surface area, which is why the kits give you high speed fans with thin rads and low speed fans with high rads.

A 350L/ph pump is not going to run a CPU and GPU, if the OP went by this he would probably have higher temps then he has now. Especially after he OC's.

I am not giving the OP bad info, you are.

The idea that thicker rads perform better sounds reasonable but it's just not true, especially at slow speeds. For example take the Alphacool UT60 versus the Alphacool ST30. They are from the same manufacturer, same fpi, same design, same everything. The only difference is that the UT60 is twice as thick at 60mm. So you would expect the UT60 to perform much better, right? .....WRONG!

Have a look here on Martin's site and pay attention to the UT60 and ST30 below 1100 rpm. At slow speeds the ST30, even thought it is half as thick, actually performs BETTER than it's big brother. In fact, below 900 rpm, the ST30 performs better than any other rad tested. The idea that thicker will cool better is just wrong.

Now about his pump:

One of the weakest pump I know is the Swiftech MCP655 and that pump would work just fine for his build. People all think that flow is extremely important when it is in fact pretty irrelevent to performance. Just look here and see for yourself. Pay attention to the little observation about different settings in his rig. I have asked several guys here to turn their pump all the way down and record any temp changes. And none of them could see any difference at all. If you want I can dig up those posts, I can think of at least 3-4 guys I asked this to.

Now, you should check out this review. It's basically the same pump as the OP but with PWM capability. It is in no way a weak pump, to the contrary.

And about that 350 l/hr figure. Manufacturer claims don't mean anything, toss that into the propaganda bin. And what really matters is not flow, what matters more is pressure, and the review I posted above explains that pretty well.

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