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Originally Posted by TechSilver13 View Post

After waiting over two weeks to get my h220 back I have lost interest in putting it back in my case. When I get it back I will be selling it. I will wait a couple months after the h320 is released to ensure there aren't the same problems as the h220.

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Can you send me a PM with your RMA number so I can find out what happened here. The delay shouldn't have been more than week or so. It certainly shouldn't have been more than two.
post #1432 of 20784
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Originally Posted by AdamMT View Post

My guess is that your sysfan header is voltage conrtolled and not PWM. Try connecting to the cpufan header instead.

I tried the exact same procedure first with the pump connected to the pwm cpufan header (initial setup and got this issue).
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Originally Posted by Martinm210 View Post

Grab a multi meter and measure voltage out of the header. They are only $3 at Harbor freight. Why guess... You cant measure pwm, but if it remains 12v on the power/ground yet speeds reduce, then you know pwm is working. Perhaps the 6w is too much for the motherboard to handle or something else weird happening with the MB.

I have a multi meter but I am not sure what points of the header to connect the probes to. Also, I am not sure that it would help anything. I think it may only be a problem with my motherboard due to my further troubleshooting.

The stock swiftech fans are connected to both pwm cpufan headers and the pump is connected to the pwm chasisfan header. In the motherboard bios I have the cpufans set on a target temperature (so when it reaches it the rpm should be increased through pwm), and the chasisfan header (pump set to manual "level 2" = ~ 1950 rpm).

With keeping everything else the same, I changed the temperature target for the cpufans between 60 and 65 deg C (on different pc bootups). The result is that only when the temperature target is set at 65 deg. C the problem would happen..

With any other target temperature besides 65 set, the swiftechfans (connected to cpufan headers) would increase rpm as they should while the pump would stay at a constant ~1950rpm. However, when the target temperature is set to 65, the swiftech fans still increase as normal, but the pump tries to increase rpm and results in turning off. The pump then keeps trying to boot back up (I see rpm increasing on it then drops to 0 and so on) until I alt tab out of the game to lower temperatures (I have to anyways so I don't hit the thermal safety temperature and shuts off my pc) below the target temperature, and then the pump will successfully stay on at the preset rpm until the target temperature gets reached again.

At the end of the day, if it keeps working as it should with my target temperature set at 64 deg. C, then I am perfectly fine with it. I am just uneasy now thinking it may start happening at other settings down the road, and I don't like the idea of risking damage to my cpu and gpu (even though I know if working properly they should shutoff before damage is done).
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Originally Posted by BramSLI1 View Post

Could you tell me what motherboard you have? This will help me to trouble shoot your issue.

My motherboard is ASRock P67 Pro3 SE
Edited by italstal - 4/12/13 at 8:52am
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post #1433 of 20784
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Originally Posted by italstal View Post

I tried the exact same procedure first with the pump connected to the pwm cpufan header (initial setup and got this issue).
I have a multi meter but I am not sure what points of the header to connect the probes to. Also, I am not sure that it would help anything. I think it may only be a problem with my motherboard due to my further troubleshooting.

The stock swiftech fans are connected to both pwm cpufan headers and the pump is connected to the pwm chasisfan header. In the motherboard bios I have the cpufans set on a target temperature (so when it reaches it the rpm should be increased through pwm), and the chasisfan header (pump set to manual "level 2" = ~ 1950 rpm).

With keeping everything else the same, I changed the temperature target for the cpufans between 60 and 65 deg C (on different pc bootups). The result is that only when the temperature target is set at 65 deg. C the problem would happen..

With any other target temperature besides 65 set, the swiftechfans (connected to cpufan headers) would increase rpm as they should while the pump would stay at a constant ~1950rpm. However, when the target temperature is set to 65, the swiftech fans still increase as normal, but the pump tries to increase rpm and results in turning off. The pump then keeps trying to boot back up (I see rpm increasing on it then drops to 0 and so on) until I alt tab out of the game to lower temperatures (I have to anyways so I don't hit the thermal safety temperature and shuts off my pc) below the target temperature, and then the pump will successfully stay on at the preset rpm until the target temperature gets reached again.

At the end of the day, if it keeps working as it should with my target temperature set at 64 deg. C, then I am perfectly fine with it. I am just uneasy now thinking it may start happening at other settings down the road, and I don't like the idea of risking damage to my cpu and gpu (even though I know if working properly they should shutoff before damage is done).
My motherboard is ASRock P67 Pro3 SE

OK, this does sound like your chassis fan header isn't actually using PWM (pulse width modulation) to control the speed of the pump, but it's actually using a type of voltage regulation. This will cause issues with this pump because of the way it responds to a varying voltage and amperage when under voltage control. I highly recommend using one of the CPU fan headers for the pump instead of the chassis fan header. Let me know if this solves your issue.
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Originally Posted by BramSLI1 View Post

OK, this does sound like your chassis fan header isn't actually using PWM (pulse width modulation) to control the speed of the pump, but it's actually using a type of voltage regulation. This will cause issues with this pump because of the way it responds to a varying voltage and amperage when under voltage control. I highly recommend using one of the CPU fan headers for the pump instead of the chassis fan header. Let me know if this solves your issue.

When I first setup the h220, I connected it how u now suggest to and I got the same problem I have now. That is what led me to switch it to chasisfan header in the first place. So if I am understanding correctly, then both must be voltage regulated even though both headers are 4 pin.
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post #1435 of 20784
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Originally Posted by italstal View Post

When I first setup the h220, I connected it how u now suggest to and I got the same problem I have now. That is what led me to switch it to chasisfan header in the first place. So if I am understanding correctly, then both must be voltage regulated even though both headers are 4 pin.

Let me look into this and I'll get back with you shortly. It is possible though that there may be a setting in your BIOS that will let you choose between PWM and voltage control for these headers. Please consult your manual and see if there is something that you might need to change.
post #1436 of 20784
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Originally Posted by BramSLI1 View Post

Let me look into this and I'll get back with you shortly. It is possible though that there may be a setting in your BIOS that will let you choose between PWM and voltage control for these headers. Please consult your manual and see if there is something that you might need to change.

I already consulted both my bios and motherboard manual [searched the PDF for the pwm term] and I didn't find any appropriate option.

Thank you for the help. I am very happy with your h220 product (the how to expand the loop tutorial video really helped me as someone new to watercooling) even though i am having this minor problem due to your quick and help full customer service.



Just another update for other current and prospective H220 users, the Swiftech representative BramSLI1 has contacted me about resolving my issue through a replacement. thumb.gif
Edited by italstal - 4/12/13 at 12:19pm
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Thanks to the amazing folks at Swiftech (Gabe, Bryan, and everyone else) my modified h220 loop is up and running! thumb.gif









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post #1438 of 20784
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Originally Posted by Snuckie7 View Post

Dang so the fans don't fit inside the case with the rad? That sucks, I guess I'll just wait for a 120/140mm version.

It isn't that big of a deal. The fans just have to be installed in the fan bay on the top of the case and the radiator needs to be positioned inside the case similarly to the pictures above. Different case, but same issue. It looks clean and tight.
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Thanks to the amazing folks at Swiftech (Gabe, Bryan, and everyone else) my modified h220 loop is up and running! thumb.gif

Looks great! How are your temps with the gpu block and extra rad compared to the stock H220 setup?
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ok, I think I'm returning my Antec 302 case to Microcenter this weekend since it's not WC friendly. Anyone know of a similarly-priced case at MC that's better for water-cooling? I'm hoping to fit the H220 and a separate 120 rad internal -- to cool my CPU and two GPU's in Crossfire.

Here's their selection:
http://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?N=4294964318+4294959278&cat=Corsair-%3a-Computer-Cases-%3a-Computer-Parts-%3a-Micro-Center
Edited by paleh0rse14 - 4/12/13 at 2:18pm
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