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But can't you control the PWM one on your desktop? And you don't have to open up your case to do it?

Yes and I'm glad you said something on the subject. My reasoning is do you want your system to be on if you spring a leak?
Cause I believe if you don't have a "trigger" to turn on the pump, pwn cable, your pump would not turn on.. Perhaps with the proper jumper set up, but it's always best to have your system NOT powered up.

Again this is my opinion and I am not certain how precautious people are with setting up loops.
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Yes and I'm glad you said something on the subject. My reasoning is do you want your system to be on if you spring a leak?
Cause I believe if you don't have a "trigger" to turn on the pump, pwn cable, your pump would not turn on.. Perhaps with the proper jumper set up, but it's always best to have your system NOT powered up.

Again this is my opinion and I am not certain how precautious people are with setting up loops.

Well can't you turn on the D5 Pump PWM without turning on the system? Like just use a paper clip or something and turn on the PSU without hooking up the motherboard power cable?

Then after the loop runs for couple hours to check leak. Then if everything is fine, turn on the rest of your system and with the PWM D5 Pump, now you can control how fast it runs on your desktop? Rather than open up your PC case. And plus with PWM you can make a Speed Curve (graph) .

So in the end, isn't PWM pump is better than Vario pump ? Unless I'm missing something here?
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Well can't you turn on the D5 Pump PWM without turning on the system? Like just use a paper clip or something and turn on the PSU without hooking up the motherboard power cable?

Then after the loop runs for couple hours to check leak. Then if everything is fine, turn on the rest of your system and with the PWM D5 Pump, now you can control how fast it runs on your desktop? Rather than open up your PC case. And plus with PWM you can make a Speed Curve (graph) .

So in the end, isn't PWM pump is better than Vario pump ? Unless I'm missing something here?

It all depends on how you look at it.

For me it'll be easier to precisely bleed my loop with a Vario type pump.

Doesn't the Vario just have one plug that needs to be connected?...
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Well can't you turn on the D5 Pump PWM without turning on the system? Like just use a paper clip or something and turn on the PSU without hooking up the motherboard power cable?

Then after the loop runs for couple hours to check leak. Then if everything is fine, turn on the rest of your system and with the PWM D5 Pump, now you can control how fast it runs on your desktop? Rather than open up your PC case. And plus with PWM you can make a Speed Curve (graph) .

So in the end, isn't PWM pump is better than Vario pump ? Unless I'm missing something here?

Most people never touch the pump speed again once it's been set anyways. The loop is far more affected by fan speed over the radiator than it is by pump speed, assuming you already have a decent flow rate.

It would drive me nuts if I hear my pump or fans speed up whenever the CPU temps spike. If everything is set up to change speeds only through a change in the water temp, then that's fine.
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Most people never touch the pump speed again once it's been set anyways. The loop is far more affected by fan speed over the radiator than it is by pump speed, assuming you already have a decent flow rate.

It would drive me nuts if I hear my pump or fans speed up whenever the CPU temps spike. If everything is set up to change speeds only through a change in the water temp, then that's fine.

Well can't you set the PWM Pump to stay constant at Max? or constant at a certain speed? PWM doesnt mean it goes up and down depend on the cpu temps.
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It all depends on how you look at it.

For me it'll be easier to precisely bleed my loop with a Vario type pump.

Doesn't the Vario just have one plug that needs to be connected?...

So, your argument is that having one less wire to connect outweighs having easy and convenient control of pump speed? I can't say I agree with that or see even the remotest amount of logic to it.

BTW - PWM D5s run at 60% when powered with no PWM signal. - so right around 3000 rpm. This is fine for leak testing and bleeding.
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Most people never touch the pump speed again once it's been set anyways. The loop is far more affected by fan speed over the radiator than it is by pump speed, assuming you already have a decent flow rate.

It would drive me nuts if I hear my pump or fans speed up whenever the CPU temps spike. If everything is set up to change speeds only through a change in the water temp, then that's fine.

The pump speed can absolutely be set to react to water temp changes only, and tailored to your exact liking. That is why PWM pumps came out in the first place.
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Well can't you set the PWM Pump to stay constant at Max? or constant at a certain speed? PWM doesnt mean it goes up and down depend on the cpu temps.

You could do that as well, if it is what you desire. That is the beauty of the PWM control, you can do pretty much whatever you want with it.
Edited by ciarlatano - 1/27/16 at 2:46am
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So, your argument is that having one less wire to connect outweighs having easy and convenient control of pump speed? I can't say I agree with that or see even the remotest amount of logic to it.

BTW - PWM D5s run at 60% when powered with no PWM signal. - so right around 3000 rpm. This is fine for leak testing and bleeding.
The pump speed can absolutely be set to react to water temp changes only, and tailored to your exact liking. That is why PWM pumps came out in the first place.
You could do that as well, if it is what you desire. That is the beauty of the PWM control, you can do pretty much whatever you want with it.

It's all opinion, 60% speed might be too noisy for some people or what ever. The closest thing to pwm pump I have is my H220x , and as it stands I'd rather have a vario.

At this time I don't care about pwm or a dial controlling, I just want to be able to control noise, both do the same thing to an extent.
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It's all opinion, 60% speed might be too noisy for some people or what ever. The closest thing to pwm pump I have is my H220x , and as it stands I'd rather have a vario.

At this time I don't care about pwm or a dial controlling, I just want to be able to control noise, both do the same thing to an extent.

Your talking in circles and making absolutely no sense. First it is that the pump doesn't run fast enough during the leak test.....now it is that it runs too fast and makes too much noise during the leak test.

You can keep your vario and it's incredibly limited (by comparison) capabilities for noise and speed control, the rest of us will enjoy the silence at low liquid temps and speed up only when required. This whole conversation is off topic, regardless.
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Your talking in circles and making absolutely no sense. First it is that the pump doesn't run fast enough during the leak test.....now it is that it runs too fast and makes too much noise during the leak test.

You can keep your vario and it's incredibly limited (by comparison) capabilities for noise and speed control, the rest of us will enjoy the silence at low liquid temps and speed up only when required. This whole conversation is off topic, regardless.

lol..
Circles.. hmm...
I'll keep my Vario*which I don't have anymore*..
Also I am stating that people.. "People" have different thresholds of noise, and to some the lowest pwm speed poses some noise, when I had my Vario it was VERY quiet, even on setting 4 it was very quiet.

Heck before PWM was a thing, I didn't mind the noise of my high speed Yate Loons running at 12 volts FULL blast, but NOW in these new times, I don't regret those fans or pump choice the time,

It's your opinion which I am not saying that is bad at all, I am glad we have options on what direction to take pump wise.

So which ever the person who asked the question chooses, he/she won't have any issues with either option, heck he can choose the non-speed controlled pump, BUT I'd rather have a Vario. Like you would rather have the PWM version.

Talking about cirlces?.. Going water cooling is going in circles I don't want to get into a debate on which is better Air vs Water, trying to choose the best median is like going in circles, but everyone has their opinion.

All my opinion...
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Its actually quite a popular topic at the moment. There are several threads where people have PWM D5's and trying to bleed their loops. The D5 runs at 60% PWM but that translates to about 40% of max pressure and many find that inadequate to bleed air from a decent size loop. Also it can be effective to change pump speed while bleeding rather than just running at a fixed speed as it seems to move air pockets better.

With any PWM pump you are at the mercy of the quality of the PWM control implementation / software on the board. They can leave much to be desired with random PWM changes even though set not to. New gen enthusiast boards do at least finally have better systems and even some temp sensor inputs for water temps but you still have the typical pump stops, pump runs full speed, pump settles down to desired setting every time the system restarts or wakes from sleep.

A PWM D5 pump can be hotwired while the system is shutdown for filling etc by using a wire to connect the PWM line to 5V for full speed, ground for min speed or stop and no connection for mid speed. The Vario just offers tried and true never fail simplicity while giving away nothing in performance. The PWM in the D5 is something of a hack or afterthought as implemented by Laing so has compatibility issues with some devices and even some motherboards reportedly.

It is purely a preference choice unless you want to mount the pump in a hard to reach or inaccessible place like vertical pump/res units, in which case the PWM makes great sense. The best D5 is the USB version of the Vario where the speed dial is replaced with an electronic control.
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