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Slight correction

Lang made the D5 NOT to Intel pwm spec. Acs D5 is currently the ONLY D5 to incorporate the "diva mod" internally although it isn't hard to do
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I just stuck with the same size tubing so I didn't have to get the adapter.

Nice man. So I'm looking at the D5 pump and I dont know which one to get, between the D5 Pump Vario (one with the speed dial control knob) or the D5 PUmp PWM? Which one is better? and what is the difference? thx.

This is personal pref, and no one will be able to tell you which will work better for you, some like to change speeds others to leave then static
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Nice man. So I'm looking at the D5 pump and I dont know which one to get, between the D5 Pump Vario (one with the speed dial control knob) or the D5 PUmp PWM? Which one is better? and what is the difference? thx.

I'd personally get the Vario version , in the end it'll be easier to bleed. To be honest I hate not being able to control pump speeds don't get me wrong, pwm is a good thing, but it's better to control speed through a dial or a controller.


Still have a question about making the stock H220X pump a stand alone pump, is it possible?
Yes, but it depends on how much diy you want to do. As they don't sell pump tops separately
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But can't you control the PWM one on your desktop? And you don't have to open up your case to do it?

Yes and I'm glad you said something on the subject. My reasoning is do you want your system to be on if you spring a leak?
Cause I believe if you don't have a "trigger" to turn on the pump, pwn cable, your pump would not turn on.. Perhaps with the proper jumper set up, but it's always best to have your system NOT powered up.

Again this is my opinion and I am not certain how precautious people are with setting up loops.
No pwm only needs power, most run at 100%by default, the only exceptions I know of are the Lang stock d5s, you can diva mod then or temp run 5v to the pull up circuit if you want then to run at 100%
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Well can't you turn on the D5 Pump PWM without turning on the system? Like just use a paper clip or something and turn on the PSU without hooking up the motherboard power cable?

Then after the loop runs for couple hours to check leak. Then if everything is fine, turn on the rest of your system and with the PWM D5 Pump, now you can control how fast it runs on your desktop? Rather than open up your PC case. And plus with PWM you can make a Speed Curve (graph) .

So in the end, isn't PWM pump is better than Vario pump ? Unless I'm missing something here?

It all depends on how you look at it.

For me it'll be easier to precisely bleed my loop with a Vario type pump.

Doesn't the Vario just have one plug that needs to be connected?...
Neither pump needs any connector besides the power ( fat 4 pin ) connected to run
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Well can't you turn on the D5 Pump PWM without turning on the system? Like just use a paper clip or something and turn on the PSU without hooking up the motherboard power cable?

Then after the loop runs for couple hours to check leak. Then if everything is fine, turn on the rest of your system and with the PWM D5 Pump, now you can control how fast it runs on your desktop? Rather than open up your PC case. And plus with PWM you can make a Speed Curve (graph) .

So in the end, isn't PWM pump is better than Vario pump ? Unless I'm missing something here?

Most people never touch the pump speed again once it's been set anyways. The loop is far more affected by fan speed over the radiator than it is by pump speed, assuming you already have a decent flow rate.

It would drive me nuts if I hear my pump or fans speed up whenever the CPU temps spike. If everything is set up to change speeds only through a change in the water temp, then that's fine.

First the pump just needs the psu turned on, as to your comment one word,

Aquaero

Expensive? Yes, worth every penny? Yes I won't build a pc without them
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Its actually quite a popular topic at the moment. There are several threads where people have PWM D5's and trying to bleed their loops. The D5 runs at 60% PWM but that translates to about 40% of max pressure and many find that inadequate to bleed air from a decent size loop. Also it can be effective to change pump speed while bleeding rather than just running at a fixed speed as it seems to move air pockets better.

With any PWM pump you are at the mercy of the quality of the PWM control implementation / software on the board. They can leave much to be desired with random PWM changes even though set not to. New gen enthusiast boards do at least finally have better systems and even some temp sensor inputs for water temps but you still have the typical pump stops, pump runs full speed, pump settles down to desired setting every time the system restarts or wakes from sleep.

A PWM D5 pump can be hotwired while the system is shutdown for filling etc by using a wire to connect the PWM line to 5V for full speed, ground for min speed or stop and no connection for mid speed. The Vario just offers tried and true never fail simplicity while giving away nothing in performance. The PWM in the D5 is something of a hack or afterthought as implemented by Laing so has compatibility issues with some devices and even some motherboards reportedly.

It is purely a preference choice unless you want to mount the pump in a hard to reach or inaccessible place like vertical pump/res units, in which case the PWM makes great sense. The best D5 is the USB version of the Vario where the speed dial is replaced with an electronic control.

What do you mean D5 pump with USB connector and electronic control? And is it only from AquaComputer that selling them? thx.
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he means this

but he is incorrect about "best, all the major pumps are good, but perfect/best? nope - it is personal pref.
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he means this

but he is incorrect about "best, all the major pumps are good, but perfect/best? nope - it is personal pref.
the best pump is the one that never ceases to pump...
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I just recieved a h320 x2 prestige (returned the 320mm predator due to the recall), and no matter what I do the pump will not turn. I have changed power leads to the pump, run the pwm feed directly to my motherboard to bypass the splitter board, and reseated and reinstalled everything on the pwm splitter. All other functions (LEDs, radiator Fan speed control, etc.) Work fine but I can't get the pump to work and unfortunately there isn't a troubleshooting guide on swiftechs website.

I can see through the pump casing that the impellor isn't turning, my motherboard reports 0 rpm, and the bubbles in the liquid are not moving.

Is the pump just DOA? Or is there a switch or something simple somewhere I'm missing? Somewhat frustrating that a brand new unit that replaced a competing unit isn't working.... Ugh....
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I just recieved a h320 x2 prestige (returned the 320mm predator due to the recall), and no matter what I do the pump will not turn. I have changed power leads to the pump, run the pwm feed directly to my motherboard to bypass the splitter board, and reseated and reinstalled everything on the pwm splitter. All other functions (LEDs, radiator Fan speed control, etc.) Work fine but I can't get the pump to work and unfortunately there isn't a troubleshooting guide on swiftechs website.

I can see through the pump casing that the impellor isn't turning, my motherboard reports 0 rpm, and the bubbles in the liquid are not moving.

Is the pump just DOA? Or is there a switch or something simple somewhere I'm missing? Somewhat frustrating that a brand new unit that replaced a competing unit isn't working.... Ugh....

No the pump should just come on, you have the sata connector to the pump connected?
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No the pump should just come on, you have the sata connector to the pump connected?

Yes, both sata leads are connected (splitter and the pump) and I've switched them to other known working leads with no dice unfortunately.
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Yes, both sata leads are connected (splitter and the pump) and I've switched them to other known working leads with no dice unfortunately.

Yeah that isn't sounding good, the pump should come on with just the sata power connected. Might have to rma.
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Originally Posted by rfarmer View Post

Yeah that isn't sounding good, the pump should come on with just the sata power connected. Might have to rma.

'Doh. Just my luck, so much for Swiftech to the rescue from the predator recall. Oy!

Thanks for your help though.
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Had my first H240x pump die within 3 days as well, wish we could have this type of luck with the lottery right? tongue.gif
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