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Not sure about Swiftech's policy now, but Brian@swiftech once told me using CLU on waterblock would void warranty. Gelid GC-E is good stuff, but a bit thick. Should still work well. Also I noticed the Apogee XL block is ever so slightly convex, so I'm unsure the best spread method or paste if you only lap the CPU IHS. I know this is a Swiftech thread and I personally love the aesthetics of the Apogee but to be honest if you're really requiring better CPU temps, an EK block would net more gains. However, even the best water cooled systems struggle to keep a delidded/CLU'd haswell under control with AVX2 workloads. I think there just isn't enough silicon die space to disperse the immense amount of heat (which also explains why the core closer to iGPU is usually colder).

I lapped both my CPU and block, but saw more temp differences in paste applications than anything. Also, I believe increasing mounting pressure by adding a washer under each spring may be effective for delidded CPU's since our CPU's sit aproximately 0.54mm lower, if I recall correctly.

pics before/after. can't find the one where I lapped it again but still couldn't get all the silver color off the block.






also just cause I love this shot, my apogee with PPC's custom ROG plate (and red tape underneath to reduce the orange)

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from what I've been reading the new version of swiftech block that comes with the x2 is snagging things right now...and nearly every heatsink will be thus way because most ihs are the opposite I'm thinking it was concave and convex though
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from what I've been reading the new version of swiftech block that comes with the x2 is snagging things right now...and nearly every heatsink will be thus way because most ihs are the opposite I'm thinking it was concave and convex though

What do you mean by "snagging"?
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What do you mean by "snagging"?
that actually was a typo...supposed to be smacking
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that actually was a typo...supposed to be smacking
Then I assume by smacking you mean kicking tail?
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Then I assume by smacking you mean kicking tail?
yeah cpu block looks to be around 4c lower than most...but I haven't tested it myself
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yeah cpu block looks to be around 4c lower than most...but I haven't tested it myself

Where are you seeing this?
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Where are you seeing this?
someone posted a review of the h220x2 bit back showing a decent drop in temperatures and they attributed it to the new block design and fans
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someone posted a review of the h220x2 bit back showing a decent drop in temperatures and they attributed it to the new block design and fans

They can attribute it to whatever they please, but using a CPU cooler's performance to say the block is better than others is a huge stretch. No one has bothered to test the block by itself so far.
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From the looks of the new block, I doubt it's thermal dissipation has changed much since they didn't change the coldplate. higher flow rate though an Apogee XL hasn't been shown to improve temps to any significant degree. Other block designs have special inlet designs which focus the coolant on the hot spots of the coldplate and CPU cores. Testing has also shown positioning the Apogee XL sideways improves performance, so there is definitely room to improve the coldplate and inlet/outlet design.

I did notice the inlet/outlet of the Apogee XL was rather narrow though and I did some dremel modifications of my own to widen it a bit - but I assume Swiftech just did something similar with the new X2 top they're using. Curious though they're still using the same pump outlet which is just as narrow (about 1/4" ID I think) but the impeller chamber is more designed for pressure anyways so it's not any larger than that to begin with. The old POM clamp-style angled fittings were narrow too but in this case I don't believe flow rate is an issue.

The fixed reservoir/radiator design and better fans are probably the best improvement of the new units, though I don't have one to test or compare. I'm also curious how the new clear tubing holds up to the old norprene tubing and if plasticizer will once again be a problem.

Edit: I'd also imagine the new units a ton easier to bleed. the old design was nearly impossible to get all the air out without a bleed screw (which had to be removed in future revisions due to increased chance of cracking)
Edited by s74r1 - 2/28/16 at 9:52am
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From the looks of the new block, I doubt it's thermal dissipation has changed much since they didn't change the coldplate. higher flow rate though an Apogee XL hasn't been shown to improve temps to any significant degree. Other block designs have special inlet designs which focus the coolant on the hot spots of the coldplate and CPU cores. Testing has also shown positioning the Apogee XL sideways improves performance, so there is definitely room to improve the coldplate and inlet/outlet design.

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The fixed reservoir/radiator design and better fans are probably the best improvement of the new units, though I don't have one to test or compare. I'm also curious how the new clear tubing holds up to the old norprene tubing and if plasticizer will once again be a problem.

I thought they did change something about the coldplate something about more and smaller fins? Maybe i'm mis-remembering that?
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