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post #1931 of 20809
my h220 is set as exhaust and still get good temps
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post #1932 of 20809
it really depends on how hot your in case temps are to make any difference between intake/exhaust.

If most or all components inside are water cooled, all of the heat is displaced into the radiator instead of hanging out in the case and being pulled through the radiator. I've since switched from intaking through the rad to exhaust, because with my GPU under water, there's literally nothing inside the case that contributes to a significant increase especially with a 200mm intake pushing fresh cool air in from the front.

Also, I would disagree in regards to Corsair. early when the h50 was released they actually did instruct people to mount them as intakes (on the rear 120mm). People were so up in arms they probably now said to put it as an exhaust.

Original H50 installation manual: http://www.corsair.com/en/media/cms/manual/h50_qsg.pdf

I did a little opinion video on my youtube channel explaining why intaking isnt so bad. As long as the actual component is cooled, it doesnt matter what the in case temps are unless it's ridiculously hot inside (talking ten fold increase over ambient). In case temps matter more for big air coolers than water cooling.
Edited by ez12a - 4/24/13 at 12:22pm
 
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post #1933 of 20809
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No, they split them up between their warehouses. They have their main one in California and another in Tennessee.

 

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Yup, kind of sucks I thought I'd get my H220 shipped out of CA so it'd be here quicker, but it's from TN. It won't get here (Vegas) until next Tuesday. redface.gif

I knew I should have just paid extra for 3-day. lol Everything else I order is usually shipped from their CA location so this is rare for me.

The batch that was sold on Friday was from CA, that is where mine shipped from. You should sign up for a trial of shoprunner on newegg. I signed up almost 2 years ago and canceled my subscription before the trial was up. They gave me my first year free after I canceled and I just got another free year because I declined to pay again, woot for free 2 day shipping. My H220 arrived today but it is in my apartments office and they are closed but should be back soon. I can't wait to see the temps on my i5, hope they are low enough to push 4.8GHz @ 1.5v.

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post #1934 of 20809
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my h220 is set as exhaust and still get good temps

Yes, I'm certainly not saying that you wouldn't get temps that you're not happy with if you set it up that way.

But the coldest temps possible when it comes to radiators of this kind, is when you focus on cooling the liquid. That, I would argue, is going to result in the cpu/gpu being cooled to the coldest temperature that the radiator by itself, can achieve.

BramSLI; I haven't had any hands on experience with multiple liquid cool systems and I can only say that you would likely know better what to do in a case as yours. I'm assuming that you've run your tests and it is obvious that there are additional variables taking place in your kind of rig.

I saw a screen shot of someone's system, (not too many posts back), that had a very neat looking rig and said there were at least two radiators in it but I wasn't able to tell where they were exactly. Was that yours?
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post #1935 of 20809
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This is different than trying to cool your components in the case. The fans for the radiator are not meant to be thought of in the same way you use the fans in your cases. Just focus on the temperature of the liquid and everything else will happen the way you wanted;).
Rich

Awesome summary, and that's exactly what I've been struggling with while planning my WC build.

My parts:
-- Arc Midi R2 Case (**NOTE: there's no opening on the side panel for a fan!**)
-- 2 x 240mm Radiators
-- 4 x 120mm fans as push/pull intakes on each radiator
-- 1 x 120mm fan on each GPU (low RPM, meant to cool VRM and memory heatsinks, but they do stick up above cards a little)
-- 2 x 120mm exhaust fans (Rear-Upper and Bottom)

Given what you explained so eloquently (and what I've been trying to reconcile myself), here's how I'm planning to set it up and move air:

RED = Radiators
BLUE = 120mm fans
GREEN ARROWS = Fan Direction

My Question/Concern: Will I have enough exhaust with just the single 120mm Rear-Upper and 120mm Bottom fans? Is there a better (read: "cooler") way to set this up?
Edited by paleh0rse14 - 4/24/13 at 12:40pm
post #1936 of 20809
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Originally Posted by ez12a View Post

it really depends on how hot your in case temps are to make any difference between intake/exhaust.

If most or all components inside are water cooled, all of the heat is displaced into the radiator instead of hanging out in the case and being pulled through the radiator. I've since switched from intaking through the rad to exhaust, because with my GPU under water, there's literally nothing inside the case that contributes to a significant increase especially with a 200mm intake pushing fresh cool air in from the front.

Also, I would disagree in regards to Corsair. early when the h50 was released they actually did instruct people to mount them as intakes (on the rear 120mm). People were so up in arms they probably now said to put it as an exhaust.

Original H50 installation manual: http://www.corsair.com/en/media/cms/manual/h50_qsg.pdf

I did a little opinion video on my youtube channel explaining why intaking isnt so bad. As long as the actual component is cooled, it doesn't matter what the in case temps are unless it's ridiculously hot inside (talking ten fold increase over ambient). In case temps matter more for big air coolers than water cooling.

I also had/have the H50 and saw that too. But the H100's paperwork stated just the opposite. Either way, my point still stands. With no doubt whatsoever in regards to a standard, dingle radiator system, you can argue until the cows come home but you're not going to change the laws of physics or thermal hydraulic engineering.
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BramSLI; I haven't had any hands on experience with multiple liquid cool systems and I can only say that you would likely know better what to do in a case as yours. I'm assuming that you've run your tests and it is obvious that there are additional variables taking place in your kind of rig.

I saw a screen shot of someone's system, (not too many posts back), that had a very neat looking rig and said there were at least two radiators in it but I wasn't able to tell where they were exactly. Was that yours?
Rich

No, that wasn't mine. You can see mine in my sig at the bottom.
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post #1938 of 20809
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Awesome summary, and that's exactly what I've been struggling with while planning my WC build.

My parts:
-- Arc Midi R2 Case (**NOTE: there's no opening on the side panel for a fan!**)
-- 2 x 240mm Radiators
-- 4 x 120mm fans in push/pull on both radiators
-- 1 x 120mm fan on each GPU (low RPM, meant to cool VRM and memory heatsinks)

Given what you explained so eloquently (and what I've been trying to reconcile myself), here's how I'm planning to set it up and move air:

RED = Radiators
BLUE = 120mm fans
GREEN ARROWS = Fan Direction

My Question/Concern: Will I have enough exhaust with just the single 120mm Rear-Upper and 120mm Bottom fans?

That's almost identical to mine. You should get very good results. I also have a 200mm pulling in from the left side:thumb:.
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post #1939 of 20809
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Originally Posted by paleh0rse14 View Post

Awesome summary, and that's exactly what I've been struggling with while planning my WC build.

My parts:
-- Arc Midi R2 Case (**NOTE: there's no opening on the side panel for a fan!**)
-- 2 x 240mm Radiators
-- 4 x 120mm fans as push/pull intakes on each radiator
-- 1 x 120mm fan on each GPU (low RPM, meant to cool VRM and memory heatsinks, but they do stick up above cards a little)
-- 2 x 120mm exhaust fans (Rear-Upper and Bottom)

Given what you explained so eloquently (and what I've been trying to reconcile myself), here's how I'm planning to set it up and move air:

RED = Radiators
BLUE = 120mm fans
GREEN ARROWS = Fan Direction

My Question/Concern: Will I have enough exhaust with just the single 120mm Rear-Upper and 120mm Bottom fans? Is there a better (read: "cooler") way to set this up?

Seems like you'd end up with a bunch of hotspots in the case, particularly in the top front area. Hot air naturally rises, so you want to use that to your advantage. Switch the 120mm bottom fan to intake, and switch the top rad fans to exhaust. I think you'd end up with a much cooler case, and thus lower RAM, Mobo, and HDD temps.
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Seems like you'd end up with a bunch of hotspots in the case, particularly in the top front area. Hot air naturally rises, so you want to use that to your advantage. Switch the 120mm bottom fan to intake, and switch the top rad fans to exhaust. I think you'd end up with a much cooler case, and thus lower RAM, Mobo, and HDD temps.
But he will have warmer liquid temps if he follows your suggestion.
Also, you can't take thermodynamics into account when using lots of fans. Hot air does not have time to raise.

And to help with the debate of intake vs outtake, I dropped by 8c on average with intake. But GPU increased by 3c which shows warmer in case temps, but no hot spots as all the air was moving around.
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