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post #20121 of 20904
Good luck getting a rep to respond its sad but hes been awol for some time....
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Let me see if I can get Gabe to respond on that. I'll message him and let him know people are curious about the release of the next Apogee water block
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post #20123 of 20904
So...my H240-X is acting up again, now with the RMA pump replacement. Before, my issue is that my fans were turning off (to 0%) on occasion, but over time it increased from over time to all the time. That issue was resolved with an RMA pump replacement many months ago. Now it seems like my issue is the opposite - my fans are now occasionally turning up to 100% for a couple seconds, and it seems to be happening more often as time goes on. Before it happened once a week, then once a day, and now today it has happened 3 times. I guess the RPM signal is having problems?

I really hope I don't have to RMA again!
post #20124 of 20904
Sorry Swiftech but I have to say this:

I vaguely follow this thread from time to time but for those on the fence I see recently about upgrading/sidegrading to these Swiftech AIO's I would personally recommend against it based on my experiences with the H240-X which had to be RMA'd 3 times (with 2-3 weeks downtime each time). Once for pump, twice for reservoir cracks. Eventually I requested a MCP50X top for the MCP30 and slowly replaced every part until nothing of the original unit was left (except the tubing).

Can't speak for the newer ones with the round looking reservoir but if what I'm hearing about stripped screws and such is correct, it doesn't seem like build quality improved much...?

As far as pump noise, it may be hit or miss or the way people have it mounted but with no decoupling between pump and radiator it's prone to amplifying any pump noise. I found my pump to have a few sweet spots on RPM speed where it was quiet but not silent. personally I prefer D5's now rather than DDC style pumps like this. I find that all DDC style usually have some sort of rattling sound even with decoupling and noise dampening. D5 isn't perfect either just high pitch whine and low hum which Is inaudible with enough vibration and noise dampening material.

Better off in the long run biting the bullet on price for real parts IMO, or some kits that include quality parts.

That said, I do give props to Swiftech for two things regarding these units:
  1. The ones with Norprene tubing (the X's not prestige I think) is some of the best tubing I've ever used and I still use it in my custom loop. It's got the perfect pliability, durability, and good ID/OD. I can't seem to find any tubing with similar specs but the wall is thinner than the overspecced thick walled PrimoFlex, EK ZMT, and Tygon tubing which come in at around 9.5mm x 15.9mm. it may be true 10mm ID but not entirely sure about OD. It's loose on some compression cuffs but others are fine and can screw down all the way with a tight enough fit without having to use vice grips lol.
  2. From what I understand, Swiftech worked with Mayhems for their coolant that ships in the newer Swiftech AIOs (probably the prestige or any of the units with clear tubing and optional dyes). The coolant is as of now unreleased still, confirmed to be called "XT1 Plus", designed for long term durability

Regarding tubing: Unfortunately they hopped on the bling bandwagon now with clear tubing and dyes (I learned my lesson with dyed coolants many years ago).

But it's sad to see Swiftech fall so far, especially now with Brian gone their great support seems MIA? Swiftech were real innovators who helped shape PC water cooling many years ago and I still cherish many of their older products. I'll save my Corsair rant for another thread but they too cut corners on too many products for cost. I really don't know what market Swiftech is targeting anymore but I have a hard time trusting their reliability (with the exception of rebranded ones such as the MCP655 and such) or performance (seriously guys, time to bring the Apogee XL into this decade not just put a shinny new coat of paint or plating on it. Even Koolance is doing better nowadays, years ago was a MUCH different story.).

Sorry if this offends anyone, this is just my opinion, don't take it as gospel. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but leave flaming to PMs please, as I don't wish to disrupt this thread. I also don't wish to slander Swiftech's name in any way and hope this does not come across as doing so. I just wish Swiftech would step up their game.

Edit: BTW anyone looking to re-use the radiators, this is how I rigged it up. 1mm or thicker copper GPU shim drilled/tapped to M3 screw threads>cut some tubing or use a large rubber washer>screw copper plate to reservoir port to seal it using the existing holes that were used to screw into the reservoir with aprox 20mm or longer screws. (bolts+nuts could work too instead of drilling/tapping m3). Then just use the fillport, but I recommend fittings with low thread depth. The stock Swiftech fittings are good, but a little restrictive (I have many sitting around collecting dust now unfortunately)

Pictures:

plate with washer sealing the empty hole left by removing the reservoir, and fitting on the fillport instead.

radiator with the extra metal sawed off, not necessary but I didn't like the space it was taking up

cone washer which I felt worked the best

CPU/GPU shim asortment from the bay


The washer on bottom was a cone shaped one which seemed to give the best seal since 1mm copper is a bit too thin to clamp tight enough on a large flat washer with just 2 screws/bolts, but I have done both successfully. Gave up on re-using pieces of tubing however, but I still beleive it can be done.

Don't know if this is breaking the ToS posting this, I think posting the store name does so I'll attach a picture of the $1.99 box the washer came in, you can do a google images search for where it's from. Disclaimer: I'm not trying to advertise/buy/sell/trade here.
CREATOR: gd-jpeg v1.0 (using IJG JPEG v62), quality = 90

Edit2: Additionally, I'll add some pictures of my MCP30->MCP50X conversion (still lower RPM than a real MCP50x though) and additionally one of my cracked reservoirs.





Edited by s74r1 - 10/4/16 at 11:10am
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post #20125 of 20904
So far my H240-X has been performing very well despite all it has been through with me.
I have already replaced the original black tubing with some Primochill Advanced LRT Brilliant Blue UV.
I will be replacing the block probably this weekend with a Heatkiller IV pro Clean Acrylic as long as it arrives in the mail by then. I also have a cracked res window (because of accidentally overtightening one of the screws. I will also be replacing that this weekend and hope it does not leak this time. I plan on drilling a small hole in the new block and putting the Swiftech LED in it. Then again I have some single UV LED's I could use instead...... Decisions.

I may upgrade to the 320-X2 prestige unit in the next few months I am not sure yet.

All in all I am happy with my H240-X but I do understand the gripes people have. Swifttech's customer service is almost non-existent these days.
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That's a real shame. After Bram left it seems everything went to hell. Now I won't touch anything Swiftech.
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When I had a situation with the screws breaking where I had to remove the res to replace the window. All I did was e-mailed them and they got back to me quickly. After I send them proof of purchase, I had a choice of sending the unit back to them and wait 3 weeks or they could send the part to me.. I show them pics of what happened and then in a week I got my part in the mail..

So must likely now you have to e-mail them about the problem.. So far that worked out for me..
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When I had a situation with the screws breaking where I had to remove the res to replace the window. All I did was e-mailed them and they got back to me quickly. After I send them proof of purchase, I had a choice of sending the unit back to them and wait 3 weeks or they could send the part to me.. I show them pics of what happened and then in a week I got my part in the mail..

So must likely now you have to e-mail them about the problem.. So far that worked out for me..
i know this time last year they had an active rep and great customer service...from what ive seen lately the rep is missing and the service isnt as fast as it was....theyve been good to me in the past i just hope its still the same...the customer service is what swayed me to buying swiftech waterblocks for my gpus and several fittings...they replaced my mcp50x and even allowed me to try and fix the issue to remedy the problem without rma...and a h220x res window...and a replacement o ring for the center of the cpu block...the last issue was entirely my own stupidity lol
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i know this time last year they had an active rep and great customer service...from what ive seen lately the rep is missing and the service isnt as fast as it was....theyve been good to me in the past i just hope its still the same...the customer service is what swayed me to buying swiftech waterblocks for my gpus and several fittings...they replaced my mcp50x and even allowed me to try and fix the issue to remedy the problem without rma...and a h220x res window...and a replacement o ring for the center of the cpu block...the last issue was entirely my own stupidity lol

Bryan was a great rep for Swiftech, and provided a lot of goodwill for the company. Since he has left, customer service has been pretty much the same when contact instructions provided by Swiftech are followed. The big issue I have seen is people who refuse to follow the contact instructions, and think that it is the duty of the manufacturer to scour every thread of every forum on the internet and answer any questions or handle any issues that are posted. 90% of the "customer service issues" I see on OCN are purely the fault of the user (unless they are dealing with ASUS.....that is a seriously bad CS group), and the user refusing to follow RMA procedures.

Having a rep active in forum threads is nice, but absolutely not a duty of the mfg.
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Bryan was a great rep for Swiftech, and provided a lot of goodwill for the company. Since he has left, customer service has been pretty much the same when contact instructions provided by Swiftech are followed. The big issue I have seen is people who refuse to follow the contact instructions, and think that it is the duty of the manufacturer to scour every thread of every forum on the internet and answer any questions or handle any issues that are posted. 90% of the "customer service issues" I see on OCN are purely the fault of the user (unless they are dealing with ASUS.....that is a seriously bad CS group), and the user refusing to follow RMA procedures.

Having a rep active in forum threads is nice, but absolutely not a duty of the mfg.
Emailed to support last night about a buzzing/homing noise starting from 1900RPM , will post how quickly they respond if any.
EDIT: Quick response from Swiftech , simply check for instructed signs , confirm and replacement will be sent thumb.gif
Edited by KillerBee33 - 10/5/16 at 8:25am
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