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How much of a temp difference would I see by moving up to this bigger Rad?
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Has anyone played around with fans on the H220? I haven't installed it yet, and would like to know if some of the fans I have would show any improvement over the included PWM fans. I have 2 Yate Loon D12SH fans (88CFM, not sure about static pressure, very loud), and 2 Aerocool Shark fans (82CFM 1.273mm-H2O, much quieter).

Would either of these two fans provide better performance compared to the included fans, or would either of these two fans offer better performance through a mismatched push pull configuration?
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How much of a temp difference would I see by moving up to this bigger Rad?
If you can’t get the Swiftech coolant, then I would go with distilled and a good additive. I am using Primochill Liquid Utopia:
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/13066/ex-liq-164/PrimoChill_Liquid_Utopia_Bomb_Bottle_-_15mL_-_Clear_PCLUBT-CLR.html?tl=g30c103s186&id=hsqTX2F9

From everything I have read, and been told, I would recommend against a silver kill coil. I know many people use them without issue, but that can conflict with anything nickel in your loop and it doesn’t help with anti-corrosion. 10 different knowledgeable people will give you 10 different answers for water cooling coolant, just look at some threads here, so I just took what I read and was told and ended up with distilled and Utopia. So far the results are very good, but only time will tell. Probably depends on how lazy I am in a good flushing and replacement schedule.

Going from a 220 rad to a 360 rad will give you a few degrees, but it depends on a ton of variables. A guess would be in the 3c range, but it depends a lot on your fans, and your exact loop. More rad is better, but with diminishing returns.

I have a 220, 320, and 140 rads with a really hot cpu, and two really hot gpus (on one card) and I have very nice temps. I don’t think the 140 rad helped all that much though.
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Has anyone played around with fans on the H220? I haven't installed it yet, and would like to know if some of the fans I have would show any improvement over the included PWM fans. I have 2 Yate Loon D12SH fans (88CFM, not sure about static pressure, very loud), and 2 Aerocool Shark fans (82CFM 1.273mm-H2O, much quieter).

Would either of these two fans provide better performance compared to the included fans, or would either of these two fans offer better performance through a mismatched push pull configuration?
I can’t comment specifically on those fans, but I can say the stock H220 rad is designed for slower rpm fans which is perfect for those that like quiet. If you don’t care about sound then a rad designed for high speed fans would perform a little better.
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I can’t comment specifically on those fans, but I can say the stock H220 rad is designed for slower rpm fans which is perfect for those that like quiet. If you don’t care about sound then a rad designed for high speed fans would perform a little better.

Im not concerned with noise as much as I am with heat dissipation. If faster fans offer better heat dissipation, and therefore lower temps, than I can live with a little noise. However if the difference between the PWM fans that come included and what I have that I could replace the fans with (or run push pull) offer no tangible improvement, I will just stick with the stock fans.

I have no intentions of adding another radiator, or a larger one for that matter, only because the cost would not justify the results. I am fairly certain that adding an additional radiator, or a thicker one would hit the point of diminishing returns.The cost would not justify the results, especially since I have not delidded and I will run into a thermal wall before the cooler could offer any additional benefit. This is mainly because I plan on keeping the setup strictly limited to the CPU.

If I were to go with a GPU block, I would add another 240mm radiator, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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I have a quick question for Gabe or Bramsli1; I am wondering if you guys are going to make a 140mm version of the h220 anytime soon, or at least maybe a 4 pin helix 140mm with some decent static pressure? I have a define r4 and would love to find some decent 4pin 140mm fans for it and a bunch of big helix fans would look sweet in there!
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I have a quick question for Gabe or Bramsli1; I am wondering if you guys are going to make a 140mm version of the h220 anytime soon, or at least maybe a 4 pin helix 140mm with some decent static pressure? I have a define r4 and would love to find some decent 4pin 140mm fans for it and a bunch of big helix fans would look sweet in there!
I heard they were down the road for 140mm PWM.
There is quiet a few good fans for 140mm PWM. Gelid has the Silent 12 & 14 PWM.
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Im not concerned with noise as much as I am with heat dissipation. If faster fans offer better heat dissipation, and therefore lower temps, than I can live with a little noise. However if the difference between the PWM fans that come included and what I have that I could replace the fans with (or run push pull) offer no tangible improvement, I will just stick with the stock fans.

I have no intentions of adding another radiator, or a larger one for that matter, only because the cost would not justify the results. I am fairly certain that adding an additional radiator, or a thicker one would hit the point of diminishing returns.The cost would not justify the results, especially since I have not delidded and I will run into a thermal wall before the cooler could offer any additional benefit. This is mainly because I plan on keeping the setup strictly limited to the CPU.

If I were to go with a GPU block, I would add another 240mm radiator, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
The difference you see in changing fans is little. 1-2c is the average difference.
    
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Im not concerned with noise as much as I am with heat dissipation. If faster fans offer better heat dissipation, and therefore lower temps, than I can live with a little noise. However if the difference between the PWM fans that come included and what I have that I could replace the fans with (or run push pull) offer no tangible improvement, I will just stick with the stock fans.
I have no intentions of adding another radiator, or a larger one for that matter, only because the cost would not justify the results. I am fairly certain that adding an additional radiator, or a thicker one would hit the point of diminishing returns.The cost would not justify the results, especially since I have not delidded and I will run into a thermal wall before the cooler could offer any additional benefit. This is mainly because I plan on keeping the setup strictly limited to the CPU.
If I were to go with a GPU block, I would add another 240mm radiator, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Stock fans are fine, and they can be ramped up to a high rpm if you want. With the stock rad made for slower fans you will only get a slight improvement with others fans or a push/pull setup. It depends on what you want. If another 2 or 3c is a big deal, then go push pull with the fans and run them at a higher rpm. If money is an issue, then just the stock H220 as is does a fine job with nothing extra.

You are right that the only real way to lower Ivy temps is delidding, but I understand that is not for everyone.
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Those Gelid fans arent very high static pressure are they? I have bgears bblasters,which are great on a rad, however, being 3 pin they cant be controlled off my cpu header like i would like. They just run full blast...ers.
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The difference you see in changing fans is little. 1-2c is the average difference.

The only reason I ask is because I recall seeing a review in which the reviewer showed a marked improvement between the stock fans and a set of other fans ( I don't recall which ones). In that particular review, the H100I or H110, not sure which one, was performing better than the H220 stock. With the fans swapped out, the H220 pulled ahead.
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Stock fans are fine, and they can be ramped up to a high rpm if you want. With the stock rad made for slower fans you will only get a slight improvement with others fans or a push/pull setup. It depends on what you want. If another 2 or 3c is a big deal, then go push pull with the fans and run them at a higher rpm. If money is an issue, then just the stock H220 as is does a fine job with nothing extra.

You are right that the only real way to lower Ivy temps is delidding, but I understand that is not for everyone.

Ok, this seems to be the answer I was looking for, you and Sp33d Junki3 seem to have the same answer, and it seems like a realistic one at that. Rather than waste time with uninstalling and reinstalling different fans and such, ill just stick with the stock compliment. Unless someone has some information that will offer results contrary to this 2c-3c figure.
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Ok, this seems to be the answer I was looking for, you and Sp33d Junki3 seem to have the same answer, and it seems like a realistic one at that. Rather than waste time with uninstalling and reinstalling different fans and such, ill just stick with the stock compliment. Unless someone has some information that will offer results contrary to this 2c-3c figure.
There is many variables, internal airflow, ambient temps, push/pull setup... too many to mention and explain.
The only way to get big temp difference is too use high powered fans at full 12v.
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Those Gelid fans arent very high static pressure are they? I have bgears bblasters,which are great on a rad, however, being 3 pin they cant be controlled off my cpu header like i would like. They just run full blast...ers.
The bgears bblasters are not good, there stats are not what they say, hey are way off . Plus terrible build quality.
    
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