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Ok I dont think my house power is bad power, nothing else in my house has ever broken blown up or became faulty like both of my h220s. I have a Corsair HX1050, one of the best PSU made. None of my other pumps...H100\H100i\water 2.0 extreme have gone bad in this SAME system so I have a hard time believing its a voltage regulation issue. My first H220 was probably juat full of grime and stopped pumping after a month or so. This one sounded like a dang waterfall and made some serious whining sounds that worried me (24 7 noise) This is an H220 problem not mine.

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I just took a cursory look at the h100i, and it looks like the headers have 3 pins. It also looks like the Water 2.0 Extreme pump would also be voltage controlled based on the 3 pin connector. I'm sorry for your difficulties but it does some entirely plausible that you were using voltage modulation this whole time, previous hardware supported it and the H220 is a TRUE PWM device, it does not support voltage modulation. Go through your bios, read up on your motherboard, contact support with a ticket to see if there is a true PWM signal coming from your board or if it is using voltage modulation.

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This has probably been discussed already. Since the fans are PWM fans. Is it ok to plug them into a fan controller.

Only if it is a true PWM controller. If it mentions anything about 3pin to 4pin, or works with 3 pin and 4 pin fans, then no it would not be a good idea.
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I'm not hooking them into a PWM controller. Just a regular fan controller. They sound like they're running at full speed when I crank them all the way up. My temps are really good to so.
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I'm not hooking them into a PWM controller. Just a regular fan controller. They sound like they're running at full speed when I crank them all the way up. My temps are really good to so.

You are voltage regulating those fans. This is a bad idea, you will burn them out. It is better for you to sell those fans, and get some regular voltage controlled fans and run them off of the fan controller.
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When not stressing your chip, the H220 can run for a little while without any fans. Therefore, you can unplug all your fans and just listing to the H220 for a minute to see what noises it makes.

There is a buzzing sound that I can hear on my two H220 units with the case open, but there is zero water/air/trickling noise. Any trapped air, gurgling, or trickling sound should go away after a day or two. As posted already, titling the case every which way, restarting several times, and changing the pump speed from low to high and back again tend to help get rid of the trapped air noise.

Also, from testing my loop I think we can come up with a general rule of thumb before Swiftech gives us actual data. The H220 by itself can handle pretty much any CPU. You can add one gpu with no extra rads if the oc on both cpu and gpu are reasonably low, and you don’t mind less than great temps. If you have high overclocks and want good temps, then add 120 worth of rad per gpu plus an extra 120.

So a single gpu added would do well with an extra 220 rad, and two gpus would do well with a 320 rad added. You can do it with less, but I think this rule of thumb gets you good temps with reasonably slow fans.
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When not stressing your chip, the H220 can run for a little while without any fans. Therefore, you can unplug all your fans and just listing to the H220 for a minute to see what noises it makes.

I actually did some testing this way, turned out one of my fans had a noisy bearing, which Gabe and Bram quickly replaced for me. My Idle temps went from 29c up to a whopping 32c with no fans.

As for fan controllers, it seems like the Sunbeam Rheosmart fans advertise themselves as PWM controllers, but reading the descriptions it looks like they simply use the PWM signal to do voltage regulation. It seems like Speedfan and Swiftechs PWM hub are going to be the most reliable combination, not to mention the cheapest.
post #2726 of 20723
Man I am so excited to get this thing in. I didn't have any interest at first when I saw performance wasn't much better to the h100i... Then I saw some more and more reviews come out. Finally went for it and I can't wait. Should be here today or tomorrow. Any of you had the h100i then went to the h220?
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Hi Everybody,
First let me thank you all for the info here which I found quite useful. I purchase my unit back in the end of February while was "orderable" in FrozenCpu and was shipped during March. Took a while to get it down here in Brazil and reclaim it from customs. Install on March 27th and was quite pleased. Temps were great and noise too within my Nanoxia DS1 was almost a whisper (tapping my fingers on the desk would do a lot more noise that the system itself). Got a pair of Noctuas NF-F12 and all was well until start to get a zero rpm warning while gaming. Then started to read this forum and trying to nail down the problem and after much ado nothing seems to fix it and the intermittent zero rpm was always there specially while stressing the system (prime95 or gaming). After almost 3 weeks I decided to RMA it. Bryan has been very helpful and along with FrozenCPU coordinated the RMA which again took a while. Finally got the second unit yesterday and after mounting (following all instructions and advices from this forum – pmw splitter, molex, pump on ch 1, radiator on top with fill port up and so on) and turning on the PC again the pump seems to behave erratically right from start (monitoring it in BIOS). I also don’t believe in such bad luck (two times common…) but I am at the end of my resources here since I cannot think of anything else causing this problem. My MB is ASUS p9x79 pro which have a PMW cpufan header rated at 1 A and 12 w. In any case I am not using it to power the pump. About the power source I believe is quite stable. Is a corsair ax860i PSU and I can monitor the 12 v line and is quite stable and unrelated to pump failures. Then I realized that molex (sigh…to molex or not to molex… that’s is the question) wires might be loose causing the powering the pump to behave erratically and still no good since they are pretty well fitted now. No weird noises nothing indicating pump to be failing or with debris and bubbles.
So, that is it, my sad story with the H220 so far… I would appreciate any additional insights.
Best wishes
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Edited by Gabrielzm - 5/15/13 at 8:44am
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I am not familiar with your specific bios, but is there any settings you can ensure the 4pin header is actually in PWM mode, and not voltage regulation?

You can also use speedfan or other software to try to monitor the performance of the unit, to see what conditions cause the erratic behavior.
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Yep, it is in PMW mode and I can regulate the pump and fans speed (on the splitter) just fine. In fact the cpufan header is a native PWM one. I am using coretemp and hwmonitor to monitor everything and there is no apparent cause to it. While stressing the pump would go to zero RPM and temps would spike....

BTW the wires on the pump are in the correct order but I notice the green and blue in the pwm coming from the splitter to the cpu fan header are switched (just like the pictures in Martin lab review of the unit). I don't think that is a problem since the PWM is active and I can regulate the pump/fans rpms.
Edited by Gabrielzm - 5/15/13 at 9:05am
post #2730 of 20723
Just got my H220 yesterday. Wanted to ask, I have the noise problem that was in the youtube video a few pages back. I tried shaking it around, squeezing the tubes, and it's still quite noisy (even more so on load). Could this be because I have the res upside down? I'm using a 500r case and it's the only way I can mount it unfortunately.

What are my options to try getting rid of the noise? Thanks for any info.
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