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Interesting, I submitted a product review request. If they bite, I will do a full comparison..smile.gif

Price tag is a little higher but if the pump is more reliable and it performs well, it might be a really good alternative. The guru3D review looks promising although they did not compare directly to the H220. I like the idea of a copper rad vs brass and the pump mounted reservior may be a little easier to prime than the rad mounted res. Also no issue with inverting the radiator. Pump is not PWM though so hopefully it is silent enough for low speed. I don't care for the smaller coil wrapped tubing but if those fittings are G1/4 compatible you could replace with any tubing size and fittings. I also like the cold plate design. Generally looks really good but it is a little higher priced. My question is how is performance/noise and pump reliability? Warranty is 2 years which isn't bad. Not as good as the H220 3 year warranty, but the pump is rated for 50K hour MTBF which is really good. Guru3d noted some concern with noise but they didn't compare noise/performance ratios so it's hard to tell much by that.

Looks promising. I hope I get a chance to review and report back..smile.gif

I hope you do get to review it! My concern currently with the h220 is the reliability. After reading people comments who are on their 3rd pump it becomes more a of a hassle.
    
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The hammer method looks scary, but it is 100 times easier and safer than the razor method. I can delid an IB chip in less than 15 seconds using the hammer method and I have yet to destroy or damage a chip.

The only risks with the hammer method are in the preparation, clamping force applied or not aligning it properly. With the razor method you have a number of concerns, blade alignment, static, maintaining a steady hand, and depth of blade insertion. I can go to Harbor Fright and get a cheap drill press vice for under $20. In my opinion, after watching videos of both methods, 4 hits with a hammer beats 10+ minutes with a razor blade and the risk of damaging the PCB, the DIE, or yourself with the blade.

The real question for me is direct die, or replace the IHS. But I can't imagine there's much of a difference in temperatures.
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The only risks with the hammer method are in the preparation, clamping force applied or not aligning it properly. With the razor method you have a number of concerns, blade alignment, static, maintaining a steady hand, and depth of blade insertion. I can go to Harbor Fright and get a cheap drill press vice for under $20. In my opinion, after watching videos of both methods, 4 hits with a hammer beats 10+ minutes with a razor blade and the risk of damaging the PCB, the DIE, or yourself with the blade.

The real question for me is direct die, or replace the IHS. But I can't imagine there's much of a difference in temperatures.
Not properly preparing, being impatient, and using the wrong tools are why people have failed at both methods. Hammer/vise/block of wood seems less prone to errors though.

Direct die is being done by a few people around here. Completely depends on your setup but you would get 3 to 7c better I think. The key is getting just the right amount of pressure. Too little and it will not boot, too much and it won’t boot as well as possibly damaging the chip.
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I know everyone is sick of me and others asking but any signs of H320?

Sorry man.. I have the 320 rads in stock, we just have to build them as kits.. We dedicated the entire Month of May catching up with the back-orders that we accumulated while the factory was being setup.. This move cost us 6 weeks of production (ouch)... and I had to bring April & May shipments by air..

I have released instruction to team to start building the 320's up next. But by the time they ship (Ocean), you won't see them in volume on the streets until July. I'm going to go ahead and bring a few by air to satisfy the most urgent though. It'll be limited quantity since air freight cost a crazy 25%!
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Sorry man.. I have the 320 rads in stock, we just have to build them as kits.. We dedicated the entire Month of May catching up with the back-orders that we accumulated while the factory was being setup.. This move cost us 6 weeks of production (ouch)... and I had to bring April & May shipments by air..

I have released instruction to team to start building the 320's up next. But by the time they ship (Ocean), you won't see them in volume on the streets until July. I'm going to go ahead and bring a few by air to satisfy the most urgent though. It'll be limited quantity since air freight cost a crazy 25%!

Sounds good. I just want your reassurance that the current pump issues will be resolved before the H320 ships. I have been very patient, but I really don't want the RMA issues. Thank you Gabe for keeping us in the loop. Also let me know about the air freighted H320 also. I would appreciate that. .
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Sorry man.. I have the 320 rads in stock, we just have to build them as kits.. We dedicated the entire Month of May catching up with the back-orders that we accumulated while the factory was being setup.. This move cost us 6 weeks of production (ouch)... and I had to bring April & May shipments by air..

I have released instruction to team to start building the 320's up next. But by the time they ship (Ocean), you won't see them in volume on the streets until July. I'm going to go ahead and bring a few by air to satisfy the most urgent though. It'll be limited quantity since air freight cost a crazy 25%!

Thanks Gabe for responding to my post. July is not too bad. I just hope its in the beginning of July biggrin.gif
Anyway how can we know if and when you have them available. If you ship some by air will you inform us (me specifically wink.gif)?
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Sounds good. I just want your reassurance that the current pump issues will be resolved before the H320 ships. I have been very patient, but I really don't want the RMA issues. Thank you Gabe for keeping us in the loop. Also let me know about the air freighted H320 also. I would appreciate that. .

I can assure you that the issues that caused some problems with our pumps have been resolved. The coolant is now filtered and our filling process has also been improved. The few issues that may have been the result of electrical problems are being removed via our strict QC controls. The units that shipped to resellers recently have already demonstrated a drastic reduction in issues and resulting RMAs.
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Sounds good. I just want your reassurance that the current pump issues will be resolved before the H320 ships. I have been very patient, but I really don't want the RMA issues. Thank you Gabe for keeping us in the loop.

I take the opportunity of your post to answer the "pump issues" question.

In order to accurately assess a situation, it was important for me to have sufficient time elapsed.

Everybody knows we've had an issue with debris and coolant pollution in the first batch that hit the streets in March; 9 out of 10 of the kits that came back exhibited this issue.

We obviously took drastic steps after that to correct the problem.

The Results?

We are now at end of May and the return rate for the second batch of shipments that hit the streets in April has dropped a whopping 85% from March: we are now in the triple digits total units shipped, and I counted a dozen RMA's from the April shipments.. Not good, but not too bad either.. This is clear evidence to me that our process is substantially improving. Being as it may, we do continue to watch every single RMA like hawks and I feel comfortable saying that our zero defect policy is starting to pay off.

Have a a good Memorial Day you guys, and happy barbecuing :-)

Gabe
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The key is getting just the right amount of pressure. Too little and it will not boot, too much and it won’t boot as well as possibly damaging the chip.

The H220 is designed to prevent over torquing, so it may be best to keep the IHS on. Either way it looks like the worst case with a delid is a 10c drop, best case being around a 30c drop...well worth it.
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The H220 is designed to prevent over torquing, so it may be best to keep the IHS on. Either way it looks like the worst case with a delid is a 10c drop, best case being around a 30c drop...well worth it.
Much easier to keep the IHS on, that is for sure. Some people want to try though. I am not aware of anyone doing it with an H220 yet. You have to remove the clamping mechanism from your mobo, then you would have to figure exactly how to alter/adjust the H220 mounting screws so they would go down far enough.

Just my opinion for Gabe and co., but since Haswell may need delidding too, maybe Swiftech could look into something like EK where they came out with a naked Ivy mounting kit.
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