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Originally Posted by Watagump View Post

I don't have your exact board, but the MSI Z77A GD65. Using the pump just on the CPU1 header, it runs just under 1200 rpm according to the hardware monitor in the bios. Maybe try that, then worry about the fans. I control my fans off my case controller. I do not have the control center installed.

In hardware monitor, I still see the same 3000 rpm on the pump. Even in the BIOS, I can't seem to get it to change the pump speed to anything else but max.
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In hardware monitor, I still see the same 3000 rpm on the pump. Even in the BIOS, I can't seem to get it to change the pump speed to anything else but max.

Is it possible the control center is keeping it maxed. Maybe try removing that, just a shot in the dark. Also my board allows me to control speed off of different headers via bios settings in the hardware monitor. Maybe use a sys fan header and try 50% or something.
Edited by Watagump - 6/6/13 at 7:48pm
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I'm having problems with my H220 and Helix fans constantly running at 100%. I have an MSI Z77MA-G45 motherboard, and up until yesterday, everything was working fine. I could change fan speed %'s with SpeedFan no problem. Normally, it sat at around 25%, but I wasn't satisfied with the noise, so I did some fiddling with my rig to see what exactly was making all the noise. It turned out to be the pump, but that's of a separate ordeal.

After putting everything back in, The pump is now sitting at 3000 rpm and the Helix fans are sitting at 1800 rpm. Currently, I am using the included PWM splitter plugged into the CPU fan header with Ch1 as the pump. I've reset my bios, tried a fresh install of Windows, fiddled around with SpeedFan settings, but nothing will get the rpm's down.





I've tried enabling/disabling CPU Smart Fan control in the bios, in the control center, but still nada. I've tried individually plugging in the pump, fan, pwm splitter, even stock Intel fan, but nothing will change. I feel like it isn't a problem with the H220 unit, but rather a problem with the BIOS. I haven't changed the BIOS recently, though. I've tried plugging in the PWM splitter with the H220 unit into a separate motherboard, and it seems to report fine and decrease rpm's just fine.

I'm prepared to call it quits on this motherboard, but I am not in the position to make an upgrade or downgrade to anything, so I was wondering if anyone had an idea of what I could do. Also, if all else fails, I was looking into PWM fan controllers, but I couldn't find any (of a reasonable price) that could actually support the H220's 4-pin PWM design without using voltage regulation. I could always use different fans, but the pump running at 3000 rpm is very loud. (Not sure if that is normal, especially in a noise dampened case like the Antec P280 and sitting on the floor) If I can't fix anything in the BIOS or with SpeedFan, are there any PWM fan controllers that are say sub-$30 USD that are actually capable of bringing the pump back down to a reasonable noise level?

Edit: Ignore the CPU temps in the SpeedFan picture. I just didn't have SpeedFan setup when I took that screenshot. Temps are very well normal, idling low 30's.
Two things to check:
1. Are you sure the PWM cpu fan header is set to "manual" under the Advanced settings in Speedfan?
2. If that doesn't work, try uninstalling all of the MSI Control Center stuff. It may be conflicting with Speedfan.
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Originally Posted by Badness View Post

Hey guys, I was looking into either getting an Eisberg 240 or the H220. However I saw this on Xbit:

Is the fan controller and better pump the reason for Swiftech's higher pricing, or is this review bogus and the performance is on H220's side as well. I could not find too many results against 280mm rads.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/nzxt-kraken-x60_4.html#sect1

This review mentions nothing about ambient temps, block seating methods, which TIM was used, etc. An expansive review without controlled variables is useless. Junk review IMHO.

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Originally Posted by asdfdemi View Post

I'm having problems with my H220 and Helix fans constantly running at 100%. I have an MSI Z77MA-G45 motherboard, and up until yesterday, everything was working fine. I could change fan speed %'s with SpeedFan no problem. Normally, it sat at around 25%, but I wasn't satisfied with the noise, so I did some fiddling with my rig to see what exactly was making all the noise. It turned out to be the pump, but that's of a separate ordeal.

After putting everything back in, The pump is now sitting at 3000 rpm and the Helix fans are sitting at 1800 rpm. Currently, I am using the included PWM splitter plugged into the CPU fan header with Ch1 as the pump. I've reset my bios, tried a fresh install of Windows, fiddled around with SpeedFan settings, but nothing will get the rpm's down.





I've tried enabling/disabling CPU Smart Fan control in the bios, in the control center, but still nada. I've tried individually plugging in the pump, fan, pwm splitter, even stock Intel fan, but nothing will change. I feel like it isn't a problem with the H220 unit, but rather a problem with the BIOS. I haven't changed the BIOS recently, though. I've tried plugging in the PWM splitter with the H220 unit into a separate motherboard, and it seems to report fine and decrease rpm's just fine.

I'm prepared to call it quits on this motherboard, but I am not in the position to make an upgrade or downgrade to anything, so I was wondering if anyone had an idea of what I could do. Also, if all else fails, I was looking into PWM fan controllers, but I couldn't find any (of a reasonable price) that could actually support the H220's 4-pin PWM design without using voltage regulation. I could always use different fans, but the pump running at 3000 rpm is very loud. (Not sure if that is normal, especially in a noise dampened case like the Antec P280 and sitting on the floor) If I can't fix anything in the BIOS or with SpeedFan, are there any PWM fan controllers that are say sub-$30 USD that are actually capable of bringing the pump back down to a reasonable noise level?

Edit: Ignore the CPU temps in the SpeedFan picture. I just didn't have SpeedFan setup when I took that screenshot. Temps are very well normal, idling low 30's.

Make sure your CPU fan header is set in the BIOS to run PWM and not voltage. Having it set to voltage while the pump and fans are plugged into the splitter, even with the splitter connected to the fan header, will result in them receiving the full 12v through the molex connection on the splitter and run 100%.
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Two things to check:
1. Are you sure the PWM cpu fan header is set to "manual" under the Advanced settings in Speedfan?
2. If that doesn't work, try uninstalling all of the MSI Control Center stuff. It may be conflicting with Speedfan.

It is indeed set to manual.
I also just uninstalled the Control Center, and no go. It doesn't change anything. I also tried on a completely separate boot drive, and still no difference.

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Originally Posted by Phelan View Post

Make sure your CPU fan header is set in the BIOS to run PWM and not voltage. Having it set to voltage while the pump and fans are plugged into the splitter, even with the splitter connected to the fan header, will result in them receiving the full 12v through the molex connection on the splitter and run 100%.

Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, there is no option for "PWM" or "voltage" in this motherboard's BIOS in terms of fan control. MSI's BIOS is very, very limited in options for its fan control.
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Is it possible the control center is keeping it maxed. Maybe try removing that, just a shot in the dark. Also my board allows me to control speed off of different headers via bios settings in the hardware monitor. Maybe use a sys fan header and try 50% or something.

This part is interesting. Plugging in just the pump or just the fan into one of the sys fan headers at 50%, and they have reduced rpm's. The pump runs at 1800 rpm and a Helix fan runs at 900 rpm. But, this part makes me worry. When i use SpeedFan to reduce the %'s on sys fan 1 and 2, the pump hits 0 rpm at around 40%, and the fan hits 0 rpm at around 20% (roughly estimating this one). Plugging the PWM splitter into one of the sys fan headers, and I'm getting max speeds on either the fan or the pump. This is making me believe that the sys fan headers aren't PWM regulated, but rather voltage regulated. I believe that the H220's pump should not be undervolted, but should be controlled by PWM to reduce any strain. Again as a note, plugging either a fan or pump directly into the CPU fan header yields it running at max rpm's, and SpeedFan still has no effect on the rpm of whatever is on the CPU fan header, despite SpeedFan being able to read rpm's for it.

If there are any ways to set in the MSI's BIOS to specifically use "PWM" or "voltage", that would be great, but as far as I can tell there is none. Turning Smart Fan target on or off in the BIOS changes nothing. Does anyone know if there is some cheap PWM fan controller that I can use until I'm ready to make an upgrade to a new motherboard?
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If there are any ways to set in the MSI's BIOS to specifically use "PWM" or "voltage", that would be great, but as far as I can tell there is none. Turning Smart Fan target on or off in the BIOS changes nothing. Does anyone know if there is some cheap PWM fan controller that I can use until I'm ready to make an upgrade to a new motherboard?

Can't find much information on MSI's Z77 fan control options, but a few other have reported fans dropping to 0 RPM at or below 40%. There are also a number of compatibility bugs on Almico's website (makers of Speedfan) related to MSI Z77 boards. It really seems like MSI dropped the ball on fan control, I was wondering why they made such a huge deal about it on their "Gaming" series boards.
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It is indeed set to manual.
I also just uninstalled the Control Center, and no go. It doesn't change anything. I also tried on a completely separate boot drive, and still no difference.
Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, there is no option for "PWM" or "voltage" in this motherboard's BIOS in terms of fan control. MSI's BIOS is very, very limited in options for its fan control.
This part is interesting. Plugging in just the pump or just the fan into one of the sys fan headers at 50%, and they have reduced rpm's. The pump runs at 1800 rpm and a Helix fan runs at 900 rpm. But, this part makes me worry. When i use SpeedFan to reduce the %'s on sys fan 1 and 2, the pump hits 0 rpm at around 40%, and the fan hits 0 rpm at around 20% (roughly estimating this one). Plugging the PWM splitter into one of the sys fan headers, and I'm getting max speeds on either the fan or the pump. This is making me believe that the sys fan headers aren't PWM regulated, but rather voltage regulated. I believe that the H220's pump should not be undervolted, but should be controlled by PWM to reduce any strain. Again as a note, plugging either a fan or pump directly into the CPU fan header yields it running at max rpm's, and SpeedFan still has no effect on the rpm of whatever is on the CPU fan header, despite SpeedFan being able to read rpm's for it.

If there are any ways to set in the MSI's BIOS to specifically use "PWM" or "voltage", that would be great, but as far as I can tell there is none. Turning Smart Fan target on or off in the BIOS changes nothing. Does anyone know if there is some cheap PWM fan controller that I can use until I'm ready to make an upgrade to a new motherboard?

I am not 100% sure why my pump runs at around 1200rpm off CPU header 1. I have nothing being done except it being plugged right in. I think when I tried using a sys fan header for the pump it ran at full speed. I don't even use the PWM splitter that came with the unit, since like I said, I run all my fans from both the case and the H220 off my case controller.
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post #3698 of 20732
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Can't find much information on MSI's Z77 fan control options, but a few other have reported fans dropping to 0 RPM at or below 40%. There are also a number of compatibility bugs on Almico's website (makers of Speedfan) related to MSI Z77 boards. It really seems like MSI dropped the ball on fan control, I was wondering why they made such a huge deal about it on their "Gaming" series boards.

The weirdest thing is that all was fine up until yesterday when I unplugged and replugged in everything to diagnose some noise problem. I had PWM working just fine on the CPU fan header, both in the BIOS and in SpeedFan. I have no idea what's going on now, which is why I'm looking into some PWM fan controllers for the time being.
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The weirdest thing is that all was fine up until yesterday when I unplugged and replugged in everything to diagnose some noise problem. I had PWM working just fine on the CPU fan header, both in the BIOS and in SpeedFan. I have no idea what's going on now, which is why I'm looking into some PWM fan controllers for the time being.

Has to be something you did wrong, it wouldn't just change on its own. The problem can be if you do a few things at once is trying to catch what you might of changed. I had an issue where all of a sudden my system would hard lock coming out of sleep sometimes. I am like ***, then I thought about what I did recently. I installed the Supercharger software that is suppose to charge things faster via USB. I removed that and it cured the issue.
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I would try plugging the fans into the sys headers that you can control in the hardware monitor in the bios. Then just try CPU 1 header and PWN for the pump. Just a thought, I have never used Speedfan. I cant see why voltage control on the pump would be bad, but this is my first time water cooling.
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