Overclock.net › Forums › Cooling › Water Cooling › Swiftech H220/H320/H220X/H240X/H140X and CM Glacer 240L/360L Owners' Club
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Swiftech H220/H320/H220X/H240X/H140X and CM Glacer 240L/360L Owners' Club - Page 386

post #3851 of 20731
Quote:
Originally Posted by os2wiz View Post

I think the industry has to start rethinking its warranty for defective product. On something that NEW a purchase, if the leak is strictly due to manufacturing defect they should be responsible for damage to all computer components. But the custom loop manufacturers do NOT see it that way. Swiftech probably has the same warranty as the other competitors have. But in this particular instance where the head fails and leaks.,they should be responsible for motherboard and if graphics card and cpu fail also for them. Even if it meant an extra $5 in price per unit to cover damages, it would give a sigh of relief to the customer. If there is an industry association for custom loop manufacturers, it would be nice if we could contact them and also if Gabe would advocate for us so that they could change the industry warranty standards. One company is going to be fearful to change it on their own and face higher costs in a competitive market. Of course that company could use their warranty as a SELLING POINT in their advertising and product demos. That puts a lot of heat on the competition as far as warranty coverage.

The other commentators here who say it just happens are being subjective. This was not an act of God. It was caused by a scientifically determinable reason. The fly and the windshield is Not an apt analogy.
sorry but i have to disagree. time for people to stop trying to have everyone else deal with life for them. leaks is an issure that can happen. period. if you dont feel fomfortable with that dont cool with water. really sick of hearing people act like they didnt know water + electronics are bad. and thinking there is no risk. there is a risk for everything. either take the risk ( and with that the consequences. whether good or bad.)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lil-Diabo View Post

Installed mine over the weekend but having some difficulty with the PWM settings.
What's even stranger is that if I set it to a custom level in the BIOS, changing the speeds on speedfan makes no difference at all.
I had it kinda working earlier by setting a target temp and level, but even then it used to shoot up to about 2000 RPM, since the fans are all controlled via the same PWM, this makes the whole system a little noisier than I'd hoped.
Will have to tweak it a little more I guess, DAMN you Asrock!!

Installed it in my Arc Mini at the top but as an intake with the side panel fan as an exhaust, must say I'm really happy with the temps overall
CPU Cores idle between about 24 - 28 (Each of them varies) - This is with roughly 21 Ambient.

Planning on pushing the CPU (which has no overclock now) a little when I get time

Now all I need is for the Komodo block to be on promotion somewhere
frozen cpu promo code OCN =5% off. or you can use your 10% off one time coupon from them for writing a review
Quote:
Originally Posted by yamaharacer19 View Post

But I've been here a long time lurking in the shadows reading posts for the past 10 years. So...that sums up my point.
glad that you joined. just ignore the nay sayers.
Quote:
Originally Posted by os2wiz View Post

This was not an H220 but another head made by Swiftech , an Apogee . Nonetheless The leak was not caused by customer error. It is strictly a manufacturing defect within the warranty period for the head.
Apparently you have to go to small claims court to fight this. I believe they allow claims up to $1000 in most states. I do not think this is fair to the customer. But it is not uncommon. Which is a statement in itself about consumer protection these days. In court the onus is on the plaintiff to show a preponderance of evidence to win. That means the weight of evidence must be in the plaintiff's favor to win. Time lost, aggravation, there has to be a better way.

I recently sent my H100 to Corsair. Apparently when I rearranged the corsair fans to be set to intake one or more screws punctured the radiatoir, even though they went into the proper screw holes. The screws are longer so you can put in an optional rubber washer. Well if you don't use the optional rubber washer apparently you can puncture the radiator. Of course no mention of this in the Corsair literature. This is a case of manufacturing error. They could have eginneered a cheap and effective fix to prevent this puncture. A metal tab could be fixed to the radiator where the screw tip aligns with the radiator when tightened. Corsair george who frequents this site is helping me with my claim. Not only is the H100 kaput, so was my $229 Asus Crosshair V motherboard. I am hoping to get prorated rembursement for both. The h100 was only 5 months old. The motherboard was a little less than 2 years old. I provided my receipts. Hope to get about $175 back in total. That is of course if I get anything. I think Corsair George will put in a good word to keep things nice on the site here. He does want happy customers. Fingers crossed. By the way there was no way by feel to know if the screws were going in too far.

and i have replied several times to you. pretty sure alphacool has a patent that makes any other company doing this .... well open to a lawsuit. it is well documented everywhere i have looked. "make sure your screws dont puncture the rad" sorry imo user error.
USS CLM8-1701
(39 items)
 
Her Venom
(21 items)
 
Lil Tough Guy
(15 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
AMD FX-8350 Gigabyte 990FXA-UD7 R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC  R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC  
GraphicsGraphicsRAMHard Drive
R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC  R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC  F3-2400C10D-16GTX  OCZ Agility 3 120GB  
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
OCZ Agility 3 120GB  Seagate Barracuda 1TB  Segate Barracuda 3TB Rosewill RCR-IM5001 USB2.0 75 in 1 internal Car... 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Pioneer BDR-208DBK Blu-ray Writer Swiftech H20-220 EDGE HD Liquid Cooling Kit Swiftech Komodo 7970 Swiftech MCP-35X2 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Swiftech MCP35X2 Heat Sink Swiftech MCP35X Reservoir Swiftech Komodo 7970 Swiftech Komodo 7970 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Alphacool 240mm XT45 Alphacool 120mm XT45 Alphacool 120mm UT60 FrozenQ PC Mods UV Meteor Light Limited Edition... 
CoolingCoolingOSOS
Koolance Radiator Mounting Bracket with Quick-R... Swiftech Komodo 7970 Windows 7 Windows 8  
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  XFX FXTRISTAND Triple Display Monitor Stand  
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G510 XFX pro 1250w black edition Caselabs MAGNUM M8 Case Razer Naga 
AudioAudioOther
Sony 2.1 Razer Megalodon XFX pro 1250w black edition 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
8350 batch 1229 pgn  Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z gigabyte 7770 OC gigabyte 7770 OC 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
F3-2400C10D-16GTX OCZ agaility 3 120  OCZ Agility 3 120gb  Seagate 7200rpm 1tb 
Optical DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
Pioneer BDR-208DBK Rosewill RCR-IM5001 USB2.0 75 in 1 internal Car... Swiftech MCP-35X White Top Swiftech Quiet Power 240  
CoolingOSOSMonitor
Swiftech Apogee HD Windows 7 Windows 8 LG E2242 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG E2242 RAZER Black Lycosa Mirror Special Edition Seasonic x660 Cooler Master Storm Stryker 
Mouse
Razer Lachesis 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX 6100 Sabertooth 990fx R2.0 XFX 7770 Core Edition Samsung 1600 2x4 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 1600 2x4 Unknown as of now  Piorneer BDR-208DBK Swiftech H220  
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8  Samsung 60" 120hz 3d LED TV Unknown Seasonic x750 
CaseMouseAudio
Cooler Master Storm Stryker Unknown Pioneer 5.1 
  hide details  
Reply
USS CLM8-1701
(39 items)
 
Her Venom
(21 items)
 
Lil Tough Guy
(15 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
AMD FX-8350 Gigabyte 990FXA-UD7 R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC  R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC  
GraphicsGraphicsRAMHard Drive
R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC  R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC  F3-2400C10D-16GTX  OCZ Agility 3 120GB  
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
OCZ Agility 3 120GB  Seagate Barracuda 1TB  Segate Barracuda 3TB Rosewill RCR-IM5001 USB2.0 75 in 1 internal Car... 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Pioneer BDR-208DBK Blu-ray Writer Swiftech H20-220 EDGE HD Liquid Cooling Kit Swiftech Komodo 7970 Swiftech MCP-35X2 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Swiftech MCP35X2 Heat Sink Swiftech MCP35X Reservoir Swiftech Komodo 7970 Swiftech Komodo 7970 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Alphacool 240mm XT45 Alphacool 120mm XT45 Alphacool 120mm UT60 FrozenQ PC Mods UV Meteor Light Limited Edition... 
CoolingCoolingOSOS
Koolance Radiator Mounting Bracket with Quick-R... Swiftech Komodo 7970 Windows 7 Windows 8  
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  XFX FXTRISTAND Triple Display Monitor Stand  
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G510 XFX pro 1250w black edition Caselabs MAGNUM M8 Case Razer Naga 
AudioAudioOther
Sony 2.1 Razer Megalodon XFX pro 1250w black edition 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
8350 batch 1229 pgn  Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z gigabyte 7770 OC gigabyte 7770 OC 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
F3-2400C10D-16GTX OCZ agaility 3 120  OCZ Agility 3 120gb  Seagate 7200rpm 1tb 
Optical DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
Pioneer BDR-208DBK Rosewill RCR-IM5001 USB2.0 75 in 1 internal Car... Swiftech MCP-35X White Top Swiftech Quiet Power 240  
CoolingOSOSMonitor
Swiftech Apogee HD Windows 7 Windows 8 LG E2242 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG E2242 RAZER Black Lycosa Mirror Special Edition Seasonic x660 Cooler Master Storm Stryker 
Mouse
Razer Lachesis 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX 6100 Sabertooth 990fx R2.0 XFX 7770 Core Edition Samsung 1600 2x4 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 1600 2x4 Unknown as of now  Piorneer BDR-208DBK Swiftech H220  
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8  Samsung 60" 120hz 3d LED TV Unknown Seasonic x750 
CaseMouseAudio
Cooler Master Storm Stryker Unknown Pioneer 5.1 
  hide details  
Reply
post #3852 of 20731
Quote:
Originally Posted by MadGoat View Post

Pump ended up getting so noisy I had to do something...

I drained the system through a coffee filter and flushed with distilled water... Ran the system through about a gallon of distilled off and on while pausing to tilt and shake the rad around to dislodge whatever might have been in there. Then refilled with the OG fluid and topped off with distilled water after having let it run while tilting for over an hour to rid the air from the system.

This is what I found:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

whatever it is its metal... No more "grinding" or "gurgling"... My temps are much better now as well, about 4-5c full load lower (Didn't expect this... but amazed non the less).

ADDED: the dime was place for size reference next to the foreign black objects that came out of the loop.

Interesting, I had a lot of stuff in my system, nothing as large as that though. Mostly small black chips of metal and plastic, and some white stuff (paint?). My pump had grinding noises right away, and it stopped turning after a little while. Before it stopped, I tried bleeding air out of the system and tried topping it up with distilled water. In the end I took it apart, way too curious, and no energy for a RMA processes. Maybe not the smartest thing to do, but I find kind of weird pleasure in taking things apart, finding out how they work and hopefully fix them and put them back together. I was worse at the latter part as a kid biggrin.gif

Anyway, on the pump impeller there was a thick splash of paint? Tried to scrape it off with a plastic scraper, no go, had to dissolve it in isopropyl alcohol. Here's a picture (crappy phone camera, unskilled operator):


That white stuff was everywhere, visible on the inside of the tubes, etc. A couple more pictures of the copper plate, the finns were full of stuff, had to brush and gently pry them off

and housing (the white stuff is much more visible, but there were a lot of little black splinters/chips too):


I flushed the system though a coffee filter, it looked like this afterwards (kinda gross, yeah):


Distilled water wasn't enough to get the rad clean, I could still see residue of the white stuff (paint, paste, whatever it was it was sticky) inside the rad looking through the fill-port, so I flushed it out with alcohol. That fixed it.

But the pump still wouldn't turn. And when I lifted up the impeller out of the motor casing, I found out why. The magnet fell of the impeller axle. The adhesive had just let go, and the magnet had slid off the axle until it hit the top of the motor housing. Some grinding marks there, but not enough by far to account for all the little plastic bits in the coolant. So I glued it back on with some good stuff I had laying around. I do some miniature modelling as well as automotive stuff, good adhesive kinda becomes a household staple smile.gif (I know I have some Loctite 14486 *somewhere* here).

And now it works like a charm, have had it running for about a week now, no problems. Only audible on high rpm:s. Performance is impressive, I have an Apogee Drive 2 and it is not very far behind that. My old dual core Phenom 2 can't really challenge the cooling performance even when overclocked to 4 GHz, stays well under 40 degrees C. The pump probably can't power through as many restrictive blocks as the MCP35x, but not bad at all for a low wattage pump.

I bought my kit as soon as it was available here the beginning of march (10th IIRC), swedish shop that I think really is a danish retailer originally: http://www.coolerkit.se/
I was originally planning on using the kit right away, but alas, silly real life problems came between me and my fun stuff. The kit sat on a shelf of over a month, forlorn... rolleyes.gif
But now it is back in action, as i should be! thumb.gif

EDIT: Oh, forgot the back-in-action-shot I made, here the H220 runs in my test system:

Some older stuff in a HAF-XB, good for testing and general tinkering. Some clear flex tubing on it for now.
Edited by Pholostan - 6/11/13 at 10:07pm
The olde bucket
(12 items)
 
 
Deigarth Tor
(7 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel I7 4930K Gigabyte X79 UP4 Sapphire R9 390X Nitro Powercolor PCS+ R9 290X 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Team Group Xtreem Vulcan 2133 MHz 32 GB Samsung 850 Pro Samsung 840 EVO Custom loop 
PowerCaseMouseOther
Corsair RM1000x NZXT Switch 810 Logitech G9x Zalman MFC1 Fan Controller 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
Intel i3-4340 Asrock Rack C226 WS+ 4 x Kingston 8GB 1600MHz DDR3L ECC CL11 DIMM 1.35V Intel 330 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
Cheap HDD for bulk storage linux HP ZR24w Seasonic G360 
Case
Xigmatek Utgard 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
AMD 1045T Gigabyte 970A-UD3 Kingston 4GB 1333MHz DDR3 ECC CL9 Corsair F60 
CoolingOSCase
H70 Mod Ubuntu Server Bitfenix Shinobi 
  hide details  
Reply
The olde bucket
(12 items)
 
 
Deigarth Tor
(7 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel I7 4930K Gigabyte X79 UP4 Sapphire R9 390X Nitro Powercolor PCS+ R9 290X 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Team Group Xtreem Vulcan 2133 MHz 32 GB Samsung 850 Pro Samsung 840 EVO Custom loop 
PowerCaseMouseOther
Corsair RM1000x NZXT Switch 810 Logitech G9x Zalman MFC1 Fan Controller 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
Intel i3-4340 Asrock Rack C226 WS+ 4 x Kingston 8GB 1600MHz DDR3L ECC CL11 DIMM 1.35V Intel 330 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
Cheap HDD for bulk storage linux HP ZR24w Seasonic G360 
Case
Xigmatek Utgard 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
AMD 1045T Gigabyte 970A-UD3 Kingston 4GB 1333MHz DDR3 ECC CL9 Corsair F60 
CoolingOSCase
H70 Mod Ubuntu Server Bitfenix Shinobi 
  hide details  
Reply
post #3853 of 20731
I wonder, is the paint on the pump blade there to assist in the optical measurement of rpm at some point in the manufacturing process?
Falcon2010
(18 items)
 
Kickass-X99
(19 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-875K ASUS P7P55D-E-PRO EVGA GTX 670 FTW Crucial Ballistix Tactical 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Western Digital Caviar Black Crucial M500 SSD  LG Blu-ray Combo Drive Asetek 550LC 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Noiseblocker Multiframe M12-P Silverstone Case Fans Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit Samsung 2443 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Rosewill RK-9000BR Silverstone Strider Plus 750 Silverstone Kublai SteelSeries Sensei [RAW] 
AudioAudio
Sennheiser PX100 headphones AntLion ModMic v4 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-5820k | core@4.4 1.23v | cache@4.1 1.1v ASUS X99-PRO / USB 3.1 EVGA GTX 980ti FTW Crucial Ballistix Sport 2400 CL12 (4 x 4GB) 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Crucial MX200 (1 TB) Crucial M500 (960 GB) Western Digital Green (2 TB) Pioneer BDR-XU03 
CoolingOSOSMonitor
Swiftech H240-X Win 10 Pro (64 bit) Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon Asus ROG Swift PG279Q 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Rosewill RK-9000BR Silverstone Strider Gold 850 Phanteks Enthoo EVOLV ATX (gray) SteelSeries Sensei [RAW] 
Mouse PadAudioOther
Gamedias NYX Mousepad 350x280 Grado SR80e Lexar Professional Workflow SR2 SDHC/SDXC UHS-I... 
  hide details  
Reply
Falcon2010
(18 items)
 
Kickass-X99
(19 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-875K ASUS P7P55D-E-PRO EVGA GTX 670 FTW Crucial Ballistix Tactical 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Western Digital Caviar Black Crucial M500 SSD  LG Blu-ray Combo Drive Asetek 550LC 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Noiseblocker Multiframe M12-P Silverstone Case Fans Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit Samsung 2443 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Rosewill RK-9000BR Silverstone Strider Plus 750 Silverstone Kublai SteelSeries Sensei [RAW] 
AudioAudio
Sennheiser PX100 headphones AntLion ModMic v4 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-5820k | core@4.4 1.23v | cache@4.1 1.1v ASUS X99-PRO / USB 3.1 EVGA GTX 980ti FTW Crucial Ballistix Sport 2400 CL12 (4 x 4GB) 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Crucial MX200 (1 TB) Crucial M500 (960 GB) Western Digital Green (2 TB) Pioneer BDR-XU03 
CoolingOSOSMonitor
Swiftech H240-X Win 10 Pro (64 bit) Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon Asus ROG Swift PG279Q 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Rosewill RK-9000BR Silverstone Strider Gold 850 Phanteks Enthoo EVOLV ATX (gray) SteelSeries Sensei [RAW] 
Mouse PadAudioOther
Gamedias NYX Mousepad 350x280 Grado SR80e Lexar Professional Workflow SR2 SDHC/SDXC UHS-I... 
  hide details  
Reply
post #3854 of 20731
the tiny white particles are most likely plasticizer, which comes off of tubing. its used to make tubing more bendable.
Obligatory Build
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-3770K Asus P8Z77-M Pro Sapphire Reference 290 w/ Aquacomputer Kryogeni... Samsung Low Voltage 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingMonitor
Western Digital Caviar Blue PNY XLR8 Swiftech H220 + Swiftech 120mm Rad Acer P216HL Black 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Ducky Legend Rosewill Hive 550w Silverstone PS07B-W Mionix Avior 7000 
Mouse Pad
Custom Artscow Mousepad 
  hide details  
Reply
Obligatory Build
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-3770K Asus P8Z77-M Pro Sapphire Reference 290 w/ Aquacomputer Kryogeni... Samsung Low Voltage 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingMonitor
Western Digital Caviar Blue PNY XLR8 Swiftech H220 + Swiftech 120mm Rad Acer P216HL Black 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Ducky Legend Rosewill Hive 550w Silverstone PS07B-W Mionix Avior 7000 
Mouse Pad
Custom Artscow Mousepad 
  hide details  
Reply
post #3855 of 20731
If swiftech doesn't respond to my email I'm going to drain mine as well, not very happy with this product right now despite the awesome reviews
post #3856 of 20731
Another update and (knock on wood) the end of almost 2 months of problems. Two RMA's latter I got yesterday my third pump. The first two behave in on-off mode under stress and with temps spikes. Bryan and Swiftech sent me directly to Brazil just the replacement pump. Drained the second unit (first RMA) and exchange the pump/block, mount it up again, leak tested, then into the case and bingo, so far so good with no failures of the pump under stress (prime95 for about an hour so far with other 3 or 4 quick tests of 20 minutes before this long run - I will leave overnight with coretemp protection just in case). The first two units usually after 10 or 15 minutes of prime95 would fail...

Bryan I got the second pump ready and we should talk about sending back to you.

drunken.gif
post #3857 of 20731
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mega Man View Post

sorry but i have to disagree. time for people to stop trying to have everyone else deal with life for them. leaks is an issure that can happen. period. if you dont feel fomfortable with that dont cool with water. really sick of hearing people act like they didnt know water + electronics are bad. and thinking there is no risk. there is a risk for everything. either take the risk ( and with that the consequences. whether good or bad.)
frozen cpu promo code OCN =5% off. or you can use your 10% off one time coupon from them for writing a review
glad that you joined. just ignore the nay sayers.
and i have replied several times to you. pretty sure alphacool has a patent that makes any other company doing this .... well open to a lawsuit. it is well documented everywhere i have looked. "make sure your screws dont puncture the rad" sorry imo user error.
That proviso "make sure you don't puncture the radiator" is supposed to take them off the hook? There is no way to be sure that you don't puncture the radiator unless you have the radiator loose. if they suggest rubber grommets they should supply rubber grommets. They in fact don't suggest rubber grommets in the installation guide. You have a very Neanderthal concept regarding product liability.Design the product properly with safety engineering and things like this don't happen. With your thinking cars would not have airbags nor brakes in all likelihood. Masses of people fought for these changes, that is why they happened.
Edited by os2wiz - 6/12/13 at 4:20am
post #3858 of 20731
Anyone find the best setting for the pump speed when not running a loop. I am just cooling the cpu for now.
post #3859 of 20731
Quote:
Originally Posted by os2wiz View Post

That proviso "make sure you don't puncture the radiator" is supposed to take them off the hook? There is no way to be sure that you don't puncture the radiator unless you have the radiator loose. if they suggest rubber grommets they should supply rubber grommets. They in fact don't suggest rubber grommets in the installation guide. You have a very Neanderthal concept regarding product liability.Design the product properly with safety engineering and things like this don't happen. With your thinking cars would not have airbags nor brakes in all likelihood. Masses of people fought for these changes, that is why they happened.

I'm with Mega Man in thought. I hate paying extra for insurance/RMA/etc whatever. The main point though I believe was in regard to water cooling risks. Laing DDC pumps are a pretty good example, they are a pump where user error is a real high risk when changing out pump tops. I myself have flooded out a pump at least once by not tightening the top correctly. When that happens water flows down into the PCB and usually shorts out the pump. "Innocent Users" often would assume manufacturing defect and submit for RMA. This was happening so often that the "warranty VoId if removed" stickers were added as a means to help ensure it wasn't user error. I have also had dozens and dozens of little leaks here and there throughout my time in water cooling. I have managed to kill a power supply and a few other bits. We make mistakes, it happens...

The H220 is like any custom water cooling and there are risks involved mostly due to user error. I accept that risk and responsibility if I leak on my hardware and expect everyone else to do the same. I don't agree with having to pay a premium for the next new user that makes the same mistakes I did. In home ownership you have licensed plumbers and building inspectors for a very good reason, not everyone should be DIY plumbing without being qualified or inspected. In DIY water-cooling, you don't have to get a certification (training) nor do you have to pay $100 for a building permit and inspection(QA). That's the sort of costs and processes you would need to make certain it is not user error that caused a leak. I would leave it be.. Air cooling or sealed CLCs are for those that want full coverage.

My 2c
Edited by Martinm210 - 6/12/13 at 6:36am
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3930K ASrock X79 Ext7 Evga GTX570 CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Phoenix SSD+2TB Seagate drives ASUS DVD-RW combo Windows 7 28" Hanns-G HZ281 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
MS Natural Corsair TX650 Danger Den Torture Rack Logitech MX518 
Mouse Pad
Desk 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3930K ASrock X79 Ext7 Evga GTX570 CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Phoenix SSD+2TB Seagate drives ASUS DVD-RW combo Windows 7 28" Hanns-G HZ281 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
MS Natural Corsair TX650 Danger Den Torture Rack Logitech MX518 
Mouse Pad
Desk 
  hide details  
Reply
post #3860 of 20731
Quote:
Originally Posted by NIK1 View Post

Anyone find the best setting for the pump speed when not running a loop. I am just cooling the cpu for now.

20-30% works for me. Whatever is silent and still giving you plenty good temps. At most I could only measure about a 2c loss from full speed to minimum.thumb.gif
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3930K ASrock X79 Ext7 Evga GTX570 CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Phoenix SSD+2TB Seagate drives ASUS DVD-RW combo Windows 7 28" Hanns-G HZ281 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
MS Natural Corsair TX650 Danger Den Torture Rack Logitech MX518 
Mouse Pad
Desk 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3930K ASrock X79 Ext7 Evga GTX570 CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Phoenix SSD+2TB Seagate drives ASUS DVD-RW combo Windows 7 28" Hanns-G HZ281 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
MS Natural Corsair TX650 Danger Den Torture Rack Logitech MX518 
Mouse Pad
Desk 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Water Cooling
Overclock.net › Forums › Cooling › Water Cooling › Swiftech H220/H320/H220X/H240X/H140X and CM Glacer 240L/360L Owners' Club