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Regarding slim vs thick rads.

What I noticed is that thicker rads are a little easier to tune for all around performance where slim thickness rads tend to tune for either slow or high speed performance but with some loss in the opposite area. Slim is definitely your best bet for cost/benefit, but a lot of people buy for looks as much as performance and I must agree that a thicker rad does look better even though it may not perform any better:

radthermalbarcharts7.png?w=614&h=2277

ALSO

Thicker rads tend to have about half as much restriction, you have double the rows of tubes typically, so it's like running two slim rads in parallel.
aquacomputerams-pd2.png?w=614

The H220 rad is also a bit more restrictive than your typical MCR series which I suspect is due to the swivel elbows, but I'm not completely sure. It is about 6-7X more restrictive than the normal MCR320:
swiftech-h220-pd02.png?w=614

So besides thermal performance, there are some other things to think about..
Hope this helps...
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post #3973 of 20728
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Regarding slim vs thick rads.

What I noticed is that thicker rads are a little easier to tune for all around performance where slim thickness rads tend to tune for either slow or high speed performance but with some loss in the opposite area. Slim is definitely your best bet for cost/benefit, but a lot of people buy for looks as much as performance and I must agree that a thicker rad does look better even though it may not perform any better:

ALSO

Thicker rads tend to have about half as much restriction, you have double the rows of tubes typically, so it's like running two slim rads in parallel.

The H220 rad is also a bit more restrictive than your typical MCR series which I suspect is due to the swivel elbows, but I'm not completely sure. It is about 6-7X more restrictive than the normal MCR320:

So besides thermal performance, there are some other things to think about..
Hope this helps...
Martin

Thanks for your input into this discussion Martin. It's much appreciated as always. thumb.gif
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Could you note the fans used for each of those 10C runs, Martin? I remember you saying you couldn't get any donations as far as 38mm fans go, which REALLY would skew the results of the thicker stuff (especially the Black Ice GTX) so it'd be great to know what you're using.
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Yeah i seen a review somewhere the reviewer used High static pressure 38mm fans on the thick rads in P/P and they ran away with the show.

Martin does show the Thick rads performing at the top of every Fan RPM range.

But that review with the 38mm fans in p/p really had them running away from the pack with the Black ice in 2nd place.
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Which corsair fans should I get for 800d +H220

I was thinking sp120 high performance ed however I have seen pwm edition and quiet edition. So I'm not sure
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if you plan on plugging it into the swiftech splitter, then get the pwm version.
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After following this thread for a while, the H220 seems like the most problematic component you could possibly buy. I ignored this and got myself a unit. Looks like I should have just kept away from the H220. Nothing but problems and disappointment. For those with working H220's, I'm happy for you. I'm hoping the H320 is a lot better. smile.gif
I think they mostly had a bad first production run. After I fixed my problems, I looked around a bit, and I my conclusion was that there was a problematic first run, sure that's not good, but it happens. I really recommend a visit to Swiftech's official forum if you have a problem and want help. I have had very good response there, as I very much like how active they are on various forums around the net.
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You seem to be forgetting the first rule of product feedback on the internet: people who are having problems are a lot more likely to express their disappointment than people who are having no problems are to express their satisfaction.
Heh, right you are sir smile.gif
I'm actually not disappointed though. I think Swiftech made a well designed product. Mine was damaged due to what seems to be temporary production problems, but I managed to fix it thanks to the good design. I've seen enough people around the net that got a flawless product to be pretty sure it was the first batch that had most of the problems. As swiftech reps really care about their customers, I do think they already have solved the problem.
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In some cases they cost nearly twice as much as our MCR320 XP, but offer no more than maybe a 3 to 5% increase in performance. I don't know about you, but I'll feel a bit ripped off. I'll be honest with you though. I was a big fan of the thicker radiators before I started working here. Once I saw that the performance wasn't really there, I felt kind of betrayed by all of the reviews that said they were so much better. I'm glad that Martin did his testing to set the record straight.
I'm glad too. I have thin rads from this and that manufacturer, and also thick rads from this and that company. There isn't a world of a difference, the thick rads really need an expensive pump with high flow rates to perform, and/or loud fans. I sure think the thick Alphacool rads look nice, but they're not cheap. And I did kinda feel ripped off when I compared a very expensive, cool looking, thick rad to a much cheaper thinner one. Like I bought stuff based on looks, something tha kinda makes me feel stupid.
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Could you note the fans used for each of those 10C runs, Martin? I remember you saying you couldn't get any donations as far as 38mm fans go, which REALLY would skew the results of the thicker stuff (especially the Black Ice GTX) so it'd be great to know what you're using.
Titan Kukuri 800-2200rpm fans. Similar to the Swiftech Helix except higher top speed which has good static pressure but the PQ curve is a little flat, still a good RPM scale for most 25mm fans.

GTs or 38mm fans might read 1800 and produce similar results as the Titan 2200rpm result etc.

Of coarse there are other factors such as the fan PQ shape that might tailor to a rad restriction level also. I chose the Titan specifically because it had a good rpm range that covered the most common speeds with an average to better pressure capability.

I bought Delta AFB1212HE Rev3s as well, but cut out the second test phase after 17 radiators worth of work. Got boring pretty fast..smile.gif
    
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