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post #7941 of 20817
All this talk about replacing kit fans with NF-F12s or P12s makes me wonder.

I wasn't impressed with either one in controlled rad based noise vs air flow testing. Here was my second attempt with the F12, listen to the videos for yourself:
http://martinsliquidlab.org/2013/05/07/fan-testing-round-12/

The NF-F12 was one of my worst in noise per CFM at higher speeds...not sure why and this was the second time I tried testing the F12. I just can't seem to get a good performance per noise ratio out of them. Perhaps my rad bench specifics, but they tested pretty loud at higher speeds on my test rig. thinking.gif
Edited by Martinm210 - 12/1/13 at 7:48am
    
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+1 on the Akasa Vipers. They can be a little noisy at full speed, but move a TON of air, even at lower speeds. Their specs almost double the Helixes.
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post #7943 of 20817
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Nice. I see you have a theme of Yellow and Black.
Why not look at the Akasa Viper 120mm and 140mm, Black and Yellow. They are PWM and low speed it is quiet at 600 rpm. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

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Originally Posted by Phelan View Post

+1 on the Akasa Vipers. They can be a little noisy at full speed, but move a TON of air, even at lower speeds. Their specs almost double the Helixes.

I planned to have the fans inbetween the case and the rad pulling air so i could use any fans without worrying about the colour scheme. I've just heard good things about the Noctua fans specifically that they have a great sound signature, meaning between 2 fans with the same dba they are normally easier on the ear. Since this cooler should be no problem for the heat my chip puts out i just want something that's super quite, i should be able to run at very low RPM and maintain ok temps. At the moment i'm using a h80 with one fan and its handling my OC no problems.
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post #7944 of 20817
you can still see the fans on top of the case through the cutouts.
The NF-F12 sound is weird on the rads, which Martin have tested. Add a pull and the sound sounds even worse. That sound has to do with how the fan is designed.
This is the reason I went for the NF-P12 instead.
    
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post #7945 of 20817
The vipers would look rather good, for now anyway I've got the h320 on the way. Will see how things plan out with the stock fans, then if need be look into it more.
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Since this cooler should be no problem for the heat my chip puts out i just want something that's super quite, i should be able to run at very low RPM and maintain ok temps.

Wecells did some ear test with 3 different PWM fans according to noise levels.

Noctua NF-F12 PWM 1500rpm
Swiftech Helix 120 PWM 1700rpm
Nidec Servo Gentle Typhoon GT 1850 PWM 1850rpm

Lowering the higher rpm fans with Speedfan to 1500 as it´s the speed of lowest rpm fan Noctua at full speed.

The results are subjective (from 50cm distance), but still very clear.

1.The most quiet is Nidec Servo at 60% 1520rpm, it's almost inaudible and moves air well with that speed.

2.The middle noise is Swiftech Helix at 45% 1520rpm, it has a little more audible bearing noise than the Nidec Servo has, but it's clearly more silent than the Noctua fan.

3.The loudest is Noctua NF-F12 at 100% 1480rpm it's making real loud noise compared the other 2.

The Nidec Servo at full 100% 1854rpm is still more quiet than the Noctua fan is and moves a ton more air than the noctua moves.

So if youcells wan't a real silent fan, we suggest that you order some Nidec Servo Gentle Typhoon GT 1450 fans from Coolerguys.

http://www.coolerguys.com/sgt120.html

They should work quite well with youcells future H320 radiator.

There are also the Gentle Typhoon GT 1850 PWM fans available at Taobao China. Maybe also available at Coolerguys later on.

http://world.taobao.com/search/search.htm?_ksTS=1445014091072_35&spm=2015090701&search_type=0&_input_charset=utf-8&navigator=all&json=on&q=gentle%20typhoon%20pwm&cna=GN%20xDKaecWUCAVVMB6%2FPCW01&callback=__jsonp_cb&abtest=_AB-LR854-PV854_2100

Wecells got the GT 1850 PWM fans from China and we made a low noise adapter for them and it lowered their top RPM to ~ 1700rpm, which is really nice sound profile with still great airflow.

But if youcells don't have the money to order new fans from China, then wecells recommend to use the stock Helix fans, as they are not loud by any means.

Hope this helps? wave2.gif
Edited by We of Us - 10/16/15 at 9:55am
post #7947 of 20817
It's too bad nobody in the states carries the slower speed AP-15s or AP-45s in a PWM flavor. Those would be the cat's meow for most users who want to retain basic PWM throttling of rad fans while also reducing noise levels over kit fans. Lack of PWM has been probably the biggest drawback to the GTs readily available, such a shame considering their noise and pressure performance.

Haven't tried it myself but supposedly the higher speed black blade AP-29s or AP-30s have PWM circuitry, you just have to solder on the fourth wire. Still no bargain, but that's an option for those wanting stateside GTs in PWM. While not quite as good at 1850 as the AP-15 (and more expensive), the AP-29 tested pretty darn close and provides a little more high speed headroom for those wanting that and willing to pay for it. You just have to solder the fourth PWM wire and 4pin header on which could be harvested from some kit donor fans..smile.gif

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12363/fan-809/Scythe_Gentle_Typhoon_120mm_x_25mm_Fan_-_3000_RPM_D1225C12B7AP-29.html

Been meaning to try that PWM mod with the AP-29s sometime but never got around to it.
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Hey Martin, have you had a chance to test the Cooler Master fans that come with the Glacer 240L or the Akasa Viper fans? The fin design on these are unique and, at least on paper, provide a lot of umph, though they can be noisy.
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Hey Martin, have you had a chance to test the Cooler Master fans that come with the Glacer 240L or the Akasa Viper fans? The fin design on these are unique and, at least on paper, provide a lot of umph, though they can be noisy.

I tested some older CM fans which look similar to the glacier kit fans (maybe round 6 or 7) and I have tested the Akasa vipers as well in earlier rounds. Not certain they are the same or similar to current gen, but neither were substantially better than average fans like yate loons. I have yet to find a PWM slower speed fan that really sets itself apart from the pack on noise/flow ratio on those older tests. Those were all old models though, perhaps one of the latest gen fans have stepped things up. We can always hope..smile.gif
    
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I tested some older CM fans which look similar to the glacier kit fans (maybe round 6 or 7) and I have tested the Akasa vipers as well in earlier rounds. Not certain they are the same or similar to current gen, but neither were substantially better than average fans like yate loons. I have yet to find a PWM slower speed fan that really sets itself apart from the pack on noise/flow ratio on those older tests. Those were all old models though, perhaps one of the latest gen fans have stepped things up. We can always hope..smile.gif

I see. while I have you on the subject, what are your opinions on my current setup? I'm planning to cool a delidded 4770K and 7990 with a single rad (ITX build), so I opted for a Black Ice Stealh 280 (~30mm thick, 30 FPI) for size constraints, and Akasa Vipers in p/p. I don't care about the nopise at 100% fan speed because I just want performance, and plan on gaming with ANC headpones anyway. My 3 140mms are rated at 110 cfm, 3.15 mmH20, and the 120 in the PSU is rated at 90 cfm, 2.89mm H20, with the PSU top slotted for better ventilation from the 140 above it on the other side of the rad. I'm hoping I can use this same setup to cool a 290X2 and the 4770K if AMD releases one. BTW I'm also going to add more ventilation for the front-mounted PSU, but hidden.



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