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post #8421 of 20765
Yea I tried everything I could. I even put overkill voltage just to see if it was even possible but nothing would work. I was pretty disappointed since I can finally handle the thermals, but find out my chip just isn't a good clocker at all. At least it has a pretty good IMC from what I can tell.
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yours is not the first i have heard of this :/
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My 8320 was absolute garbage. Couldn't pass P95/IBT with even 1.5+ V at 4.6 GHz. The cpu-nb wouldn't get stable at 2400 Mhz even with obscene amounts of extra voltage. It would start BSOD'ing after 4.6 GHz no matter the voltage. However I ran it 24/7 on an "unstable" voltage at 4.6 and never had one single problem in games/normal use.

Same goes for this 8350 on custom loop now. Currently at 5.04 GHz which fails IBT in 2-4 passes. Have played 3-4 hours of BF4 and multiple 3dMark/Cinebench runs so far without a single problem. If you're just gaming and doing things that don't peg CPU to 100% then IMO being stress test stable isn't really necessary.
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Hi

I own Swiftech H220 and I wish to purchase Nvidia 780Ti GPU and loop it Swiftech.

This is the store I'm purchasing from: PC CASE GEAR

Can someone please tell me what components do I need to use for the job?

I know I'd like to use clear tubing and UV light.
I will also require a GPU water block to fit the GTX 780 Ti.

Any help is much appreciated!

Thank you smile.gif

You should get any block clearly marked for 780ti. Last year testing with Titan blocks indicates that EK and XSPC were winners in terms of balance between gpu, vrm and vram temps. Swiftech block was the best on gpu temps but the worse on the vrm temps. You can read about it here:

http://www.xtremerigs.net/2013/10/03/nvidia-gtx780titan-water-block-roundup/

That's not guarantee the same results apply to 780ti. Also be aware that the test was done without the backplate and Swiftech block come with the backplate included by default. I heard Swiftech is releasing new blocks for the titan/780 family pretty soon. Bram perhaps can comment if they were updated somehow from the previous version.

In terms of the other parts you will need barbs/compression of the tubing size you will be using . H220 uses 5/8 x 3/8 (outer x inner) diameter and would make your life easier to stick with it. As for the upgrade go to swiftech home page and under h220 watch the video Bram did on expanding the loop of the h220.

Hope that helps

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My 8320 was absolute garbage. Couldn't pass P95/IBT with even 1.5+ V at 4.6 GHz. The cpu-nb wouldn't get stable at 2400 Mhz even with obscene amounts of extra voltage. It would start BSOD'ing after 4.6 GHz no matter the voltage. However I ran it 24/7 on an "unstable" voltage at 4.6 and never had one single problem in games/normal use.

Same goes for this 8350 on custom loop now. Currently at 5.04 GHz which fails IBT in 2-4 passes. Have played 3-4 hours of BF4 and multiple 3dMark/Cinebench runs so far without a single problem. If you're just gaming and doing things that don't peg CPU to 100% then IMO being stress test stable isn't really necessary.

That sucks, unfortunately being a graphic designer I do a lot of rendering and demanding effects that will absolutely require stability. I don't wanna have to buy a new monitor when I put my fist through mine after a crash or freeze lol. I'm planning on picking up another 280X soon then I'm gonna see if I can't talk myself into picking up a 9370 and see if I have any better luck.
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You should get any block clearly marked for 780ti. Last year testing with Titan blocks indicates that EK and XSPC were winners in terms of balance between gpu, vrm and vram temps. Swiftech block was the best on gpu temps but the worse on the vrm temps. You can read about it here:

http://www.xtremerigs.net/2013/10/03/nvidia-gtx780titan-water-block-roundup/

That's not guarantee the same results apply to 780ti. Also be aware that the test was done without the backplate and Swiftech block come with the backplate included by default. I heard Swiftech is releasing new blocks for the titan/780 family pretty soon. Bram perhaps can comment if they were updated somehow from the previous version.

In terms of the other parts you will need barbs/compression of the tubing size you will be using . H220 uses 5/8 x 3/8 (outer x inner) diameter and would make your life easier to stick with it. As for the upgrade go to swiftech home page and under h220 watch the video Bram did on expanding the loop of the h220.

Hope that helps

Gabriel

Swiftech has some gorgeous new blocks that will be announced at CES. There are pics of them on their FB page.
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For those who don't care about noise they could be doing a design based off their mcr220-xp rads with high FPI and high RPM fans.

I hadn't thought about that, but that does make a LOT of sense. Especially when you compare the XP vs QP rad and how the Galcier has focused fan speeds up to 2400.

See tables in post below:
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My 8320 was absolute garbage. Couldn't pass P95/IBT with even 1.5+ V at 4.6 GHz. The cpu-nb wouldn't get stable at 2400 Mhz even with obscene amounts of extra voltage. It would start BSOD'ing after 4.6 GHz no matter the voltage. However I ran it 24/7 on an "unstable" voltage at 4.6 and never had one single problem in games/normal use.

Same goes for this 8350 on custom loop now. Currently at 5.04 GHz which fails IBT in 2-4 passes. Have played 3-4 hours of BF4 and multiple 3dMark/Cinebench runs so far without a single problem. If you're just gaming and doing things that don't peg CPU to 100% then IMO being stress test stable isn't really necessary.

if you have a rev 3 and attempt to get 2400cpu/nb via multi ( x12 ) ... well giga has some issues you might wanna try 2600 though it seems to be fine ( x13 )
lastly this is a great read and ill leave it here for you,
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please note you are welcome to do what ever you want, however stability does not only show itself at full usage

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I seriously question the need for all this 24hr testing going on your brand new CPU, I see numerous cases here of guys bragging about their 24hr stress testing, or saying someones overclock is not stable because they haven't benched for 24 hrs.

How much experience have you had with overclocking? This attitude is generally reserved for amateur overclockers who have never had corrupted data.
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A stress test is running all of your CPU cores flat out for however long you run the test, unless of course a core drops out because your overclock is unstable, I see the need for short term testing say an hour or maybe 2, because it won't take that long for an unstable overclock to show itself, but 24hrs in my opinion is not necessary.

I think you are confused. The error is not found because the CPU is at 100%. A major error, or more likely, many tiny irrecoverable errors, happen at any % of CPU usage. The programs are designed to find inconsistencies as fast as possible, utilizing all resources available to determine the stability. Its not lets see how hard we can squeeze your CPU till it breaks. Is it stressful? Sure, is the stress that causes error? No, that would be instability or heat. Another good way to test your cooling solution too I might add.
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There is not a thing on this planet designed to last forever, your precious CPU included when companies like Intel and AMD, guarantee their CPUs for 3 yr warranty time period, they're confident their CPUs will actually go past that time period, however that calculation is based on 3 yrs and beyond of normal use.

They know their CPUs are capable of lasting under normal spec'd use longer than the 3 yrs or they would not warranty them that long.

Not sure why this is even here. This has nothing to do with stability testing, unless you are assuming that all CPUs that are brand new should not be tested @ stock settings? Which a CPU should be tested to ensure its not defective. Rare, but it can happen.
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Now the cold hard fact is that overclocking your CPU will shorten its lifespan, but we accept that for the additional speed we gain, most of us will replace that cpu with an upgrade before is life expectancy arrives anyway, so taking it out of specifications is acceptable.

Has nothing to do with stability testing. Its about error prevention.
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However that's with normal day to day use, surfing the web, audio and video editing and converting, gaming, office documentation Etc, and though serious bench stress testing is necessary to achieve a stable overclock, what damage does stress testing over a 24 hr time period and beyond, actually do to shorten the lifespan of your new CPU.

Why would you even overclock then?
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For example if you stress test your new quad core CPU for 24hrs, and all 4 cores are running at 100% for 24 hrs, how much normal daily processing is lost, because no daily application uses all 4 cores at 100% for 24hrs, so at least think about that when you overclock your CPU, and use at least some kind of wisdom in your stress testing.

Again its not the stress that creates the error, its stress that finds the error. Errors can occur with as little as 1% core usage. The alternative is to use your computer until one day, your boot sector is corrupted, and Windows 7 repair, can't fix the files as the damage has occurred widespread through your file-system. At this point you are even lucky to recover data off the hard drive. Assuming you are still not using an unstable overclock, recovering data, will most likely keep it corrupt/re-corrupt it.
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Because if you don't think you're adding to shortening the life of your CPU, you're wrong!

Stress testing your CPU, if its adequately cooled, is not shortening your hardwares life, its the extra voltage/clock cycles from the overclock if anything. It sounds like you have a ton still to learn / grasp and thats okay. Overclocking has many useful applications, such as a technical server upgrade, gaming, scientific calculations, protein folding, etc. Many of those demand stability for personal and professional reasons. Folding requires 100% accurate data, or its wasteful time for both the user and server, which anyday can provide a cure to cancer (hopefully.) A non tested overclock in that field is extremely frowned upon by many people who dedicate entire machines to just folding.

I am not saying you have to stress test your CPU, or it will die and kill everything in your computer, but you are not going to convince anyone who knows what they are doing that its a waste of time.

I don't get why people are ever against having a fully stable system? It takes about a day if you actually have good settings. Maybe apathy or general laziness, but still, it will create so many headaches in the long run trying to figure out why the computer just doesn't want to work today.
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Expanding on the H220X (XP core?) speculation.

Swiftech has all the data goods already done for comparison:

The H220 pump/block produces around .6GPM, so the 2.0LPM flow rate mark is a good approximate flow rate point comparison:
MCR220-QP_VS_MCR220-XP_VS_GTX240_SR1.png

Swiftech notes this for DIY users:
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We recommend using a radiator the QP series in applications where the fans will run in the 1200 RPM range or below. For higher RPM ranges, we recommend selecting a radiator in the XP series.

However, at DIY pumping power levels, you are often seeing 4LPM or higher.

If you look closely at the lower flow rate areas (2.0LPM), the XP doesn't actually get significantly better until the 2000RPM test and it really seems to like higher flow rates to squeeze the most out of it.

That's probably why the H220 (focused on 800-1800) was designed with the QP core, it's a bit better fit for the silence focused 800-1800 range, especially at 800-900RPM.

BUT.... if you are running 2000RPM+ all the time, the XP will edge out a little more performance.thumb.gif

The Glacier kit comes with 2400RPM fans, so in the 2000-2400RPM range, a more dense XP core would do a bit better.

Also if you run push+pull, you'll start seeing dense core benefits a bit sooner.

Anyhow...interesting, particularly in regard to flow rate which we often ignore. Flow rate does make a difference if you start splitting hairs between the fin density.

I want to see what that MCP50 is..biggrin.gif
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I'm pretty confident the MCP50 is a high RPM variant of their In-house pump, since Gabe said before that when it was originally tested at 4500 RPM , it outperformed the MCP35X in flow and pressure. Whether it will require a different pump top than DDCs is yet to be seen, but if the H220 is any indication, the answer is yes.

On a side note, here's a news thread I posted to generate some buzz on Swiftech's new blocks. I'm pretty stoked to see the different colors- hopefully that means they have 5mm LED support so I can use my HUE biggrin.gif.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1456666/facebook-swiftech-to-announce-several-new-products-at-ces
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