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Wow I love the new H220X! The block looks beautiful and I love how it's pretty much like a regular CPU block you'd find in a custom loop. One problem I have with the current H220 is installation can be tricky since the tubes on the block/pump extend outwards a bit, causing some clearance issues with some motherboard heatsinks and even a ram slot. It's great that that wont be an issue at all with the H220X!

Any word on performance differences between this and the old H220?

Expect slight improvements over H220 on newer CPU's since the Apogee XL was optimized for Ivy Bridge and Haswell. The radiator's got the same specifications in terms of tube size and fin density.

Stephen
post #8552 of 20767
So, availability of the H220X is what really has me intrigued, you mentioned a date before, but I belive that was for the MCP50X. Can we expect the H220X within the next 2 months? Or a tad sooner?

Also, how is US availability? I hope no problems.
Edited by thebto - 1/8/14 at 4:40pm
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So, availability of the H220X is what really has me intrigued, you mentioned a date before, but I belive that was for the MPC50X. Can we expect the H220X within the next 2 months? Or a tad sooner?

Also, how is US availability? I hope no problems.

Due to the revamped design there shouldn't be any US availability problems. I suspect that they will also be available towards the end of March/ early April.
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So, availability of the H220X is what really has me intrigued, you mentioned a date before, but I belive that was for the MPC50X. Can we expect the H220X within the next 2 months? Or a tad sooner?

Also, how is US availability? I hope no problems.

End of march/april
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Due to the revamped design there shouldn't be any US availability problems. I suspect that they will also be available towards the end of March/ early April.

This is an excellent middle finger for Asetek to stick up their namesake lol.

edit- yay, 2500 posts! smile.gif
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Due to the revamped design there shouldn't be any US availability problems. I suspect that they will also be available towards the end of March/ early April.

Most excellent! I do not mind waiting a bit more, this new product looks freakin' awesome. And as was pointed before me, a nice middle finger to Asstek.

Edit: 2500 posts, whoa! Phelan pls.
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H220X.JPG 690k .JPG file H220Xradiatorreservoircombo.JPG 554k .JPG file CESsystems.JPG 581k .JPG file Standalonepump.JPG 527k .JPG file

Here you guys go. Some pictures to hold you over until one of the review sites does a video on these new products. Your thoughts are much appreciated.


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No, you can put them in a push configuration as well. You just can't use a push/pull configuration because the pump and barbs on the pump will interfere with fan placement. Push/pull doesn't make much of a difference on these kits anyway.

push/pull is only possible with one of the two fan slots - it's not possible on the pump side.

Technical note often discarded in push/pull related discussions: Push/pull typically increases the airflow pressure by a little bit and add 3 dB/A in the process (assuming one uses the same fan for push and pull). That, will be equivalent to using a fan with slightly higher RPM (100-150 rpm typically) which will give about the same air flow pressure and the same +3dB/A.

In any case, a new fan needs to be purchased.

So technically, there is no real advantage of doing push pull. In many cases, there are space constraints that can and will prevent from doing push/pull. And if someone who has the space for push/pull really wants the head pressure, then a 38mm fan is definitely the way to go ^_^

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Can you give us some specs on the pump. Interested in its rpm and flow rate. is it similar to the mcp35x?
And can you give us a detail on its release date and pricing for the whole unit? Very much appreciated. Thanks.biggrin.gif

4,500 RPM with PWM control
~ 5 mH2O head pressure (vs 4.2 for the 35X)
Max discharge of ~ 15 Lpm (vs 18 for the 35X)
We'll published the PQ curves (complete specs) when we get back, but from 0 to 2 GPM the MCP50X has more pressure. The 2 curves intersect around 2GPM. The only case the 35X will give better performance would be in the case of an extremely high flow loop (>2 GPM) and still there the difference wouldn't be much.

we built and brought a pump test bench (gabe just published that picture on facebook) we are comparing flow and pressure of these 2 pumps.

Stephen

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I like the new block, sad to see such a brick of a radiator though. What is being done there to dampen the vibration sound from the pump? Also, how much range of motion do the barbs ??? have on the pump?

Cheers!
as opposed to previous MCR Drive generations this one does have the pump decoupled from the radiator structure. The acoustics of the kit are better than of H220 although it uses the same pump motor and the same fans.

We have swivel fittings on all ports. ALSO (very important for tweakers!): As opposed to H220, ALL ports can be replaced by STANDARD G1/4" fittings.

We have 45deg swivel on the Apogee CL, a 90 degree (although it shows a 45 degree) on the pump outlet. The swivel that's on the radiator should have been a 90 degree too, but we're kind of liking the 45 degree so we may decide to keep a 45 degree there.
wow amazing again, another huge step forward in the face of patent trolls, my hat is off to you guys, way to show another example of american ingenuity and creativity even with the moron who is at the steering of our country ~

you guys never cease to amaze me, this is why swiftech is and will be #1 !!!

thank you both for the answers and esp the pics,

few qs though

thoughts / comments / questions !~

1 will the new block be replacing the apogee hd or will they both be sold ? i am hoping both as the apogee hd is great in a mixed loop

2 will you be selling a dual pump top like the mcp35x2 !!! if so i will start converting all my pcs !!

3 dear god the ascetics just look amazing please please please on the gpu blocks, make sure to put the swiftech label on the back ! like on the titan ( iirc ) and the 7990 blocks !!!

4 i LOVE the new rad design very space saving, and if used in the top of a case, helps for people who want pump placement

stealth edit !!
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Originally Posted by thebto View Post

So, availability of the H220X is what really has me intrigued, you mentioned a date before, but I belive that was for the MPC50X. Can we expect the H220X within the next 2 months? Or a tad sooner?

Also, how is US availability? I hope no problems.

Due to the revamped design there shouldn't be any US availability problems. I suspect that they will also be available towards the end of March/ early April.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by BramSLI1 View Post

Due to the revamped design there shouldn't be any US availability problems. I suspect that they will also be available towards the end of March/ early April.

This is an excellent middle finger for Asetek to stick up their namesake lol.

edit- yay, 2500 posts! smile.gif
+1 on all accounts... till they decide they invented watercooling ( ironically was DIY invented ) then... sigh...

stealth edit #2 please please! make a quadfire CFX bridge ! ( parallel of course ! )

just saw the 120mm rad... do i sense a h120? 140 and h140/240

by the end of this month i should have all 4 r9 290xs and cash waiting for 4 limited edition blocks ! please dont tell me you are going to limit me to one !! lol

another q... why dont you guys use rgb leds ? i know of a way to allow us to control them in the blocks, or via an external controller at very very little cost !
Edited by Mega Man - 1/8/14 at 4:55pm
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Thanks smile.gif

1. Yes, the Apogee HD will remain around for a few months at least or more if there is demand for it.
2. Yes, I'll finalize the details of the 50X2 for you biggrin.gif
3. Thanks, we love it too! Sure about the Backplate.
4. Yes, the radiator is much shorter than the H220 rad, and also shorter than ANY 2x120 after market radiator. This radiator brings compatibility to a whole new level.


Stephen
post #8559 of 20767
One question for Stephen and Bram, can you do a PUSH/PULL config on the H220X?
post #8560 of 20767
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No, you can put them in a push configuration as well. You just can't use a push/pull configuration because the pump and barbs on the pump will interfere with fan placement. Push/pull doesn't make much of a difference on these kits anyway.

push/pull is only possible with one of the two fan slots - it's not possible on the pump side.

Technical note often discarded in push/pull related discussions: Push/pull typically increases the airflow pressure by a little bit and add 3 dB/A in the process (assuming one uses the same fan for push and pull). That, will be equivalent to using a fan with slightly higher RPM (100-150 rpm typically) which will give about the same air flow pressure and the same +3dB/A.

In any case, a new fan needs to be purchased.

So technically, there is no real advantage of doing push pull. In many cases, there are space constraints that can and will prevent from doing push/pull. And if someone who has the space for push/pull really wants the head pressure, then a 38mm fan is definitely the way to go ^_^

^^ he is their engineer iirc

although i do disagree in one regard thick rads imo they do help ( 60+mm )
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