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Kaveri with GDDR5 was expected as AMD needed to address the bandwidth issues. 512 stream processors at 1 ghz needs serious bandwidth otherwise they will be horribly underperforming and a waste of die space. Now with the bandwidth Kaveri can blow Haswell out of the water. Also GCN is a very good compute architecture. so AMD needs more and more mainstream apps to use OpenCL and DirectCompute to accelerate performance using the GPU power. AMD's HSA strategy will finally start to work with kaveri which has a shared coherent and unified memory address space. truly AMD is finally delivering the holy grail of computing - a single chip which performs well for all types of workloads . keep up the good work AMD thumb.gif
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If the ps3 can have 8 gigs of gddr5 and still be affordable... why can't we have it >frown.gif Motherboard manufacturers should try to strike a deal with the same company sony is getting it's gddr5 ram from and solder it onto the board. I don't care if i can't buy individual sticks. The price of fm2 boards have some room to go up also... the most expensive one is like 130. Bump that up like 50 dollars or so to have the ram soldered on smile.gif
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Man am I excited for this!! wheee.gif
   
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post #34 of 82
Bought AMD stocks hours ago... simply couldn't resist.
Hope it was a good call!
post #35 of 82
My m-ITX HTPC is ready!

Now for some sort of confirmation on socket. I don't want to get burned here!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanalplus View Post

Bought AMD stocks hours ago... simply couldn't resist.
Hope it was a good call!
lol I was talking about AMD yesterday and my dad overheard, he immediately went and bought a bunch of stock smile.gif
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My m-ITX HTPC is ready!

Now for some sort of confirmation on socket. I don't want to get burned here!

AMD said FM2 was to last at least until 2014, and this will come out late this year... So we could assume this'll come on FM2 smile.gif
   
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post #38 of 82
I'd expect these parts to be embedded, with both the APU and GDDR5 soldered to the board.

I could see a socketed version of the APU, but I highly doubt there will be any non-embedded GDDR5
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsumi View Post

Wait, so we'll start to see GDDR5 RAM chips in DDR3 format?

If by DDR3 format you mean 240-pin DIMMs, probably not.
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Originally Posted by runs2far View Post

Wait what......

You don't use GDDR memory for a x86 CPU due to the high latency killing the x86 performance.

Has AMD figured out a way to reduce memory related latency?

The PS4 is rumoured to use only GDDR5, but the system specific programming for the PS4 can offset the latency issues.
Regular Windows performance should be horrible due to regular desktop systems being dependant on a low latency memory subsystem.

GDDR5 does not have significantly higher latency than DDR3. It has much loser timings, but this is largely offset by much higher clock speeds.

Any extra latency (and there may well be none) will be more than made with the bandwidth increase, when it comes to the tasks these parts are oriented for.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Art Vanelay View Post

Isn't graphics RAM more tolerant of errors in exchange for increased speed, or something like that? Sounds like something you wouldn't want for your CPU.

No. GDDR is no more error prone or tolerant than DDR. Consumer GPUs don't tend to have ECC, but neither do consumer CPUs.
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No. GDDR is no more error prone or tolerant than DDR. Consumer GPUs don't tend to have ECC, but neither do consumer CPUs.

The standard GDDR5 memory interface checks transmitted data using CRCs and can resend any corrupted data. However, there is no ECC and thus no way of knowing
whether the data that is held in the DRAM has been corrupted by a soft error.
Source: GCN Architecture Whitepaper
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What would be cool would be if they could do the sideport memory thing for just the GPU part of Kaveri, and we can power the CPU part with DDR 3 RAM.
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