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Poll Results: What to do with my CPU?

 
  • 9% (3)
    Get new RAM and cooling, reach for 5ghz 24/7
  • 3% (1)
    Get x79 and 3820, RAM and cooling, expensive but worth it
  • 0% (0)
    Get AM3+ and FX-8350, RAM and cooling, less expensive and almost the same
  • 24% (8)
    Wait for Haswell
  • 63% (21)
    Be content with what I have
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post #11 of 29
Not a time to upgrade from Sandy Bridge, in my opinion. I've still got an old Bloomfield and it runs pretty much any game I want at Ultra settings, at 60+ FPS, while recording. Haha.

I'd wait at least until Haswell to think about upgrading CPUs, getting an SSD is what I would do for now. A 2nd GTX 670 wouldn't make much of a difference on one 1080p monitor.

Also, more RAM, or higher frequency RAM won't give you any performance increases in games, the only areas where you'd see a difference would be in benchmarks, and it wouldn't be by much. The i5 2500K is a little older than the new Ivy Bridge chips that are out, but it is by no means outdated.

Not worth it to upgrade anything, really. Get an SSD, that's what my first move would be. You could always upgrade to something, getting a 2nd GPU, picking up an X79 CPU, getting more RAM, etc. But none of these upgrades would be 'worth it', besides an SSD.

My $.02.
post #12 of 29
What's the problem here? You run everything completely fine so you want to upgrade?

You are also insane if you are thinking about an FX-8350 from an i5, or, an X79 from an i5 for just a gaming rig....

The i5-3570K is basically top king for CPU for gaming, and in the overwhelming majority of games you won't notice it over an i5-2500K, or even an i3. There's very, very few games where an i5, even 2500K, is really necessary power.

If you really want an upgrade though, it's a huge fail not to have an SSD these days, given how cheap they are. newegg has a great special right now on the 840 Pro, $129 for 128gb model or so. I can tell you that you'll feel a much bigger upgrade going from HDD to SSD, than from i3 to i7.

You don't need to upgrade RAM, very few games care about RAM. As long as you have 'enough' RAM, you are fine for gaming, meaning anything more than 4GB of RAM for gaming is just a waste of money. Also, the best RAM - PSC and BBSE, is only available in 2GB sticks. Which is how I got 2400mhz CL8 RAM for only $20 (in sig rig, mushkin 996902 blacklines on ebay). 2400mhz ram is definitely faster than 1600, it's noticeably faster, but even then it's not a huge improvement, and it's only because I do streaming.

If you want a gaming upgrade, you get a better GPU. But since you already have good GPUs, there's nothing you can really do. You already have a top of the line system, I don't know what youa re complaining about seeing as you can max out any game out there. Even when Haswell comes out, you really wouldn't need it because your i5 is more than powerful enough.

However, computer components are fungible like cash. If you are bored, you could totally just sell your computer for a little bit more than what you paid for all the components, and then build some Ivy bridge system, maybe a single card system like a 680. Your current computer is already very top of the line for gaming, it's actually insane overkill for gaming (I really hope you have like multi-monitor, insane resoltuion 1440 x 2 kind of thing going on here....). It will be a couple years before games will come close to stressing out your system. That's one of the benefits of spending way too much money on a computer and buying way more power than you need, it'll last another 6 months before being outdated whereas every other GPU and CPU (i3, 660ti) will just last only another 5 years or so.
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post #13 of 29
240GB Samsung 840 on NewEgg today:

http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Mar-0-2013/allstarssd05/index-landing.html?nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL030513&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL030513-_-EMC-030513-Index-_-E0B-_-SSD250GB

You can always use Steamover to move the games you don't need the load speed for onto the HDD, or get TWO of them use one for boot and another just for Steam!

I'm using a single 120GB 840 Pro for boot and 2x240GB Agility 3 RAID 0 for games etc. Running RAID will delay your boot times though.
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What you need is a 240GB SSD. Especially if you're a gamer. You won't believe your load times. I still can't believe people can build a system like this and not have an SSD!!

1: Over 1866 on RAM is not going to make a single bit of difference in gaming. It's just ePeen and if you like to benchmark for fun.

2: Moving to a 3820 is really not going to do any good for you as a gamer. The only reason to go X79 and 3820 is if you're planning on moving to a 6-Core CPU and aren't on a good platform already.

3: A second 670 is wasted on a single 1080p monitor.

You should be ordering a 240GB SSD like right now, and then work on your OC. Don't do 120GB, my steam folder alone will fill that up.

Not everyone uses steam. I've used about 35GB in the last 3 years on my gaming computer so an 80GB ssd was all I needed for entire system storage. I actually regret that I didn't get the Samsung 830 64GB instead.

Noctua NH-U12P is a midrange heatsink. OP should overclock further, try to do 4.5-5ghz since that's what everyone does on sandies. If heat becomes an issue, get a better heatsink. A higher CPU overclock would really be the biggest performance upgrade you could get (as opposed to new cpu or ram) and I seriously doubt OP will notice 400mhz more in CPU speed if all you do is game.

Charliew, you are basically asking us "Hey I'm really thinking of upgrading my $2000 computer so I can play solitaire better". Gaming is more intensive than office or chrome, but besides being extremely GPU intensive, which you have covered, it's really not that intensive at all. Games are written for 32 bit OS so games can't use more than 3.5gb of RAM, and even the most cpu-intensive games use maybe 2 cores (i think shogun is the only quad cpu intensive game?).

It all depends on the games you play but your system is top of the line for any game. Hence, the solitaire analogy. You might upgrade your computer if you were doing compute workloads or streaming (even then, you could do very well with such work on an i5-2500k, it'd have to be something like dual output streaming at 1080@60fps that you'd need a better cpu, while gaming too, btw). But for gaming, lol.
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post #15 of 29
Trust me your CPU is not old. Ivy is only about 10% faster clock to clock but it doesn't clock as high usually, at least without delidding. The CPU is not low end and will not "bottleneck" anything in ages.
See what haswell brings to the table, It's gonna be most likely just like ivy bridge, it won't bring huge performance CPU wise, but the iGPU will be better. If it is improvement, go for it, But now hold on to your hardware! thumb.gif
post #16 of 29
Theres never a (best) time to upgrade. Theres always something to wait for. Wait for this, but in another 3 months this comes out and thats comes out. Oh crap, that got pushed back. Just buy what you want or you'll keep waiting. No fun in that
post #17 of 29
Thread Starter 
Computers are my hobby. I dont want to upgrade because I have a need to. I want to upgrade because I friggin love to upgrade.

Id like to see a performance increase, and Id feel a bit wasteful if I didnt. But if its in benchmark Im probably going to be content with that. Of course Id like to have a more stable fps. But I am at 1080p as youre saying, but 120hz at that. And Im far from 120 stable fps at everything maxed at everything.

I thought I was sort of stuck at my 4.4ghz at 1.36vcore. Felt like Id hit a wall. Turn out my board apparantly didnt handle EIST very good. Found the setting (thought I only had C1E) and BAM:





Im going to buy a new cooler, probably a H80i because of looks and performance (I know the h110 is just a stonesthrow away pricewise but hell, the H80i should be fine shouldnt it?) as soon as I get back from skiing next week. Because honestly, Im most likely going to die and theres no use dying with a perfectly good cooler at your postaloffice, I havent skiid in about 10 years : /.


Thanks to the lower vcore I can probably get pretty far before hitting my max vcore (upped my personal limit to 1.42 for everyday usage now that I dont mind if it gets a bit deteriorated). And Im guessing everything sub 75c under prime:ing is fine no?



Also about the 240gb SSDs for $150... Id kill to be an american right now frown.gif. Why dont they ship to Sweden?
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^ In that case, computers are totally fungible like cash. personally I always build a computer, throw it on craigslist, make a profit, and then buy another computer that's better. I literally pocketed $60 going from an athlon ii x3 system to an i7-3770k.

You aren't going to have any noticeable performance increase, because all you are doing is gaming. Besides changing GPUs, which even then at your level of power you will likely not notice an increase except in the most intensive of games, on triple monitors with 1440 crazy resolutions and forced AA x32 and all that kind of stuff.
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But I am at 1080p as youre saying, but 120hz at that. And Im far from 120 stable fps at everything maxed at everything.

Um... well 1080 isn't really that high a resolution for the system you have lol. You should probably work on getting a better monitor and stuff before looking to upgrade your computer. 1440 or something insane like that.

And you dont need 120fps to appreciate 120hz. 30fps looks better on a 120hz screen. That has nothing to do with fps. And you are never going to have 120 stable fps, even an old game like starcraft2 will take a 3960x and bring it to like 30fps minimum in a large 4x4 battle. Coding and software is just as big a deal as hardware, and some things are going to bring any cpu down, mostly because it's coded poorly and only written for single, dual threads. Most games aren't going to take advantage of the full strength of an i5, so even though you might see a low minimum fps in some game, a stronger CPU won't do anything because the problem is the game is threaded only for dual cores and is poorly coded than you having weak hardware.
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I thought I was sort of stuck at my 4.4ghz at 1.36vcore. Felt like Id hit a wall. Turn out my board apparantly didnt handle EIST very good. Found the setting (thought I only had C1E) and BAM:

Most sandies/ivies can't overclock very far, that's just the silicon lottery.

I wouldn't buy a better cooler if I were you, your chip wouldn't appreciate it and it'd be a waste of money. Even if you had a good chip, since you only game, 500mhz from 4.4 to 4.9ghz woulnd't even be noticeable anyways.
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Im going to buy a new cooler, probably a H80i because of looks and performance (I know the h110 is just a stonesthrow away pricewise but hell, the H80i should be fine shouldnt it?) as soon as I get back from skiing next week. Because honestly, Im most likely going to die and theres no use dying with a perfectly good cooler at your postaloffice, I havent skiid in about 10 years : /.

Why would you do that? You already have a mid-range cooler, you are sidegrading. A mid-range cooler is a mid-range cooler, the h80 might perform a few degrees better but that's less of a change than setting your AC down a degree or two, or replacing your thermal paste with slightly better thermal paste. If you really want a dramatic temp drop, get coollaboratory liquid ultra if you haven't already, but otherwise it's not worth getting an h80 in your case.

AN h100 would be a big drop in temps but even then, I wouldn't recommend it for such a low binned chip and such a low overclock. It'd be a huge waste of money on such a low chip. Now if you could do 5ghz and were okay with pushing past 1.4v, sure, maybe an h100, but your chip isn't capable of that. Don't put $1000 racing tires and nitrous in a civic.
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Thanks to the lower vcore I can probably get pretty far before hitting my max vcore (upped my personal limit to 1.42 for everyday usage now that I dont mind if it gets a bit deteriorated). And Im guessing everything sub 75c under prime:ing is fine no?

Max temp for sandy is really more like 85*C.

You should really get an SSD though. Trust me, when you get an ssd you'll realize everything you are saying in this thread is absolutely absurd. It's like you are talking about upgrading your CPU or RAM when you are still on an IDE hdd. Worse, really.
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Originally Posted by charliew View Post

Computers are my hobby. I dont want to upgrade because I have a need to. I want to upgrade because I friggin love to upgrade.

Id like to see a performance increase, and Id feel a bit wasteful if I didnt. But if its in benchmark Im probably going to be content with that. Of course Id like to have a more stable fps. But I am at 1080p as youre saying, but 120hz at that. And Im far from 120 stable fps at everything maxed at everything.

Then upgrade for the love of upgrading, just know that upgrading from an already solid PC won't yield noticeable performance increases for gaming. Not going to tell someone how to spend their money, and if you feel it's been a while since you bought a new component for your PC then go ahead and upgrade whatever you want, but it won't be 'worth it', at least not in my opinion.

Single-digit performance increases in games won't warrant the amount of money you'd have to spend on a new graphics card, a new CPU, or a new cooler so you can overclock 300-400MHz further. It just won't. The only worthy upgrade would be getting an SSD, which has been said at least six times on this thread already, and that's because it's the only thing you can go out and buy and actually notice a difference after installing it.
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Just to add a few things: H80 sucks, you are more than fine for future so you don't need to upgrade your CPU, just overclock it more with PROPER cooling (H80 isn't).

As long as you don't hit TJMax (98C) when running IBT then your temps are more than fine for daily use.

And you don't need constant 120FPS to get benefit from a 120Hz monitor.
3570K is not faster at same clock speeds in gaming than the 2500K, or it is 1-2% max (synthetic benchmarks are different) so it isn't worth it going Ivy.


So IMO, your choices:
- Get proper cooling, overclock moar!!
- Buy a SSD

So if you got the money for it really, do both.
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