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Please do research and read OP's post before calling eveyone an idiot. Logan from TekSyndicate did a comparison between the 3570k and the 8350 and the 8350 beat it in almost every game.
OP's friend is also going to be streaming WHILE playing the game, so that uses more processing power, meaning you need a better processor then an i3, my 3570k at 4.5 doesn't struggle per-say, but the 8350 will definately do better. Also if he gets into games like BF3 and Crysis 3, he will benefit from the 8350, not to mention its about $30+ cheaper then the 3570k and as powerful as the 3770k.

first of all i do not recall calling anyone an idiot (but wait for it)

logan aka "goth boy" is an idiot. ( there, now i did. smile.gif ) - bottom line is when you "claim to have valid results" that conflict with 90% of reputable web sites while running a web site that asks for donations while pandering to manufacturers for review samples . . gee, i think tweaktown has better qualifications. at least they know they're idiots and not just out to be rebellious just because its cool.

but i digress; getting back to the OPs request. as i said before, quick sync while handle video transcoding to the mp4 format that is required for a youtube video (talk about doing some research). and keeping it in the same frame as the OP ( playing COD and streaming ) an i5 will do fine, as you stated and i7 will do bit better. if performance cost is an issue, though not in the OP, then another recommendation is a xeon E3-1230V2.

the point is just because the words "video streaming" is involved doesn't necessarily mean get a 8350 . . . streaming @ 1080 24 bit depth will bottleneck a HDD long before any cpu issues rears its head.
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first of all i do not recall calling anyone an idiot (but wait for it)

logan aka "goth boy" is an idiot. ( there, now i did. smile.gif ) - bottom line is when you "claim to have valid results" that conflict with 90% of reputable web sites while running a web site that asks for donations while pandering to manufacturers for review samples . . gee, i think tweaktown has better qualifications. at least they know they're idiots and not just out to be rebellious just because its cool.

but i digress; getting back to the OPs request. as i said before, quick sync while handle video transcoding to the mp4 format that is required for a youtube video (talk about doing some research). and keeping it in the same frame as the OP ( playing COD and streaming ) an i5 will do fine, as you stated and i7 will do bit better. if performance cost is an issue, though not in the OP, then another recommendation is a xeon E3-1230V2.

the point is just because the words "video streaming" is involved doesn't necessarily mean get a 8350 . . . streaming @ 1080 24 bit depth will bottleneck a HDD long before any cpu issues rears its head.
WOW, you really know nothing about streaming, I am only using a standard seagate 7200RPPM and I am CPU bottlenecked while streaming MINECRAFT (I am however bottlenecked by my slow internet speed) Logan does know what he's talking about, he is paid to do research and know what he's talking about. Streaming wise, programs like Xsplit use the CPU to compress the video before going to upload to the website to save on bandwidth usage so you can get better quality without taking all your bandwidth. It doesn't save on the HDD or SSD at all nor does it really use them.
Besides which, the 8350 is cheaper and the fact that it runs just as fast, if not faster then the i5's is even more of a reason to get it. You cannot stream to youtube (unless you use google hangout, which is terrible quality and not very user friendly in my experience, so chances are he's going to Twitch.tv
I have been making youtube videos for almost 2 years now, I am very well educated on the subject of livestreaming and have personal experience in the subject.
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why would someone buy an xeon for gaming?.... and yes the 3570k would be good enough for steaming and playing at the same time BUT, the 8350 would be a bit better at it
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why would someone buy an xeon for gaming?.... and yes the 3570k would be good enough for steaming and playing at the same time BUT, the 8350 would be a bit better at it

the xeon has hyper threading as the i7 for ~$80 to $90 cheaper; slightly above the price of an i5-3570K. however it does not have an unlocked multi. but playing COD (at least on BOII ) it won't need to be overclocked:
Call of Duty: Black Ops II GPU & CPU Performance


because it will perform equal to an OC'd 8350@ 4.5ghz.

now add in the cost of getting a cpu cooler for ~$30 to OC and you're pretty just $20 away for the pricing between a xeon E3-1230V2 and 8350. . . .
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WOW, you really know nothing about streaming, I am only using a standard seagate 7200RPPM and I am CPU bottlenecked while streaming MINECRAFT (I am however bottlenecked by my slow internet speed) Logan does know what he's talking about, he is paid to do research and know what he's talking about. Streaming wise, programs like Xsplit use the CPU to compress the video before going to upload to the website to save on bandwidth usage so you can get better quality without taking all your bandwidth. It doesn't save on the HDD or SSD at all nor does it really use them.
Besides which, the 8350 is cheaper and the fact that it runs just as fast, if not faster then the i5's is even more of a reason to get it. You cannot stream to youtube (unless you use google hangout, which is terrible quality and not very user friendly in my experience, so chances are he's going to Twitch.tv
I have been making youtube videos for almost 2 years now, I am very well educated on the subject of livestreaming and have personal experience in the subject.
XSplit Forums - AMD vs Intel Processors for streaming / rendering
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Before I go on, if you are thinking of getting a new CPU, I would suggest Intel. I have actually been using the AMD Bulldozer 8120 and personally, there is a flaw with it somewhere, i'll explain below.

you can start there . . .


and with that, i am done after wishing the OP good luck.

cheers.
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XSplit Forums - AMD vs Intel Processors for streaming / rendering
you can start there . . .


and with that, i am done after wishing the OP good luck.

cheers.

Your still looking at the old architecture, that was bulldozer (also known as faildozer) I am talking about Piledriver, the successor. So you still don't know what your talking about. Plus those charts you provided 1 post above dont show the 3850 at a comparable overclock, which would be 5GHz. Clock for clock the intel wins all day because they perform more efficiently then the AMD's, but comparable clocks, being about 0.2-0.3GHz away from what would be considered the threshold point (being when the CPU actually starts killing itself due to too much voltage running through it), so that would be 4.5 for the i7/i5 and 5 for the 8350. You really need to know what your talking about before arguing with people that do know what they are talking about.

And also we need to stop arguing in OP's thread, even though it is kind of helpful.
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Your still looking at the old architecture, that was bulldozer (also known as faildozer) I am talking about Piledriver, the successor. So you still don't know what your talking about. Plus those charts you provided 1 post above dont show the 3850 at a comparable overclock, which would be 5GHz. Clock for clock the intel wins all day because they perform more efficiently then the AMD's, but comparable clocks, being about 0.2-0.3GHz away from what would be considered the threshold point (being when the CPU actually starts killing itself due to too much voltage running through it), so that would be 4.5 for the i7/i5 and 5 for the 8350. You really need to know what your talking about before arguing with people that do know what they are talking about.

And also we need to stop arguing in OP's thread, even though it is kind of helpful.

ah bulldozer and piledriver share the same arch. this time its me pointing at you saying you not correct. the difference is ~7% performance increase with higher clock frequencies and a bit larger instruction "window". i know what i am talking about. granted that is a bit of an old thread but however it still is very relevant - it really didn't say NOT to get a AMD cpu but to be aware of what motherboard to get for overclocking along with a few other points.

if you want to say, "hey but your chart that you posted doesn't show a 5Ghz clock rate!" well ok, look at the scaling: with the 8350 @3.5Ghz being the baseline (since its 100 fps) then you can see that every 500Mhz is a 3% performance difference. so it is reasonable to conclude that @ 5Ghz the performance will be 108 fps; the same as the i7 @ 4Ghz. so there is still room for the i7 whereas the 8530 is topped out. so i don't know what i am talking about? i believe you just do not want to hear what i am saying.

a statement such as:
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being about 0.2-0.3GHz away from what would be considered the threshold point (being when the CPU actually starts killing itself due to too much voltage running through it)
WHAT?!?!?
please pray tell what is this "theory" you have?? every cpu has the same OC and that you need to stay 200-300Mhz below it so the voltages stay down to avoid electromigration??
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( your "you don't know what you're talking about" card has just been revolked)
every chip is different - well that sums that up - any further discussion is already covered in endless "overclocking 101" guides.

just because the rig will used for gaming/rendering/streaming does not dictate and AMD cpu; as what was explained in that thread: the gaming will bring down the FX cpu (regardless of what goth boy may claim in a video on you tube; there are hundreds of others that dispute that) that is where an i7 would more make up what little difference there is for streaming:


on the second pass (if there is one)


and i'll repeat again, for uploading videos to you tube nothing beats quicksync . . .
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so everyone says get the FX-8350???

sorry folks but quicksync is used for that minimal transcoding and will beat any software based (read: cpu) transcoding method with barely any used resourses. and we are also talkiing about playing COD here, not a cpu bound game in the least bit
even an i3 that has hyperthreading does as well as any quad core - so in other words anything higher than a dual core will be able to handle playing the game and multi tasking.

if you want an 8350 than fine, no harm but, the spec'd use(s) do not dictate such.

Quicksync. Heh. Call me a AMD fanboy but Quicksync produces only low-quality videos and such. Youtube is becoming NOT a place for low quality videos! Bring it somewhere ... like a class video or something
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Please do research and read OP's post before calling eveyone an idiot. Logan from TekSyndicate did a comparison between the 3570k and the 8350 and the 8350 beat it in almost every game.
OP's friend is also going to be streaming WHILE playing the game, so that uses more processing power, meaning you need a better processor then an i3, my 3570k at 4.5 doesn't struggle per-say, but the 8350 will definately do better. Also if he gets into games like BF3 and Crysis 3, he will benefit from the 8350, not to mention its about $30+ cheaper then the 3570k and as powerful as the 3770k.
ORLY? While chewing a hell lot more power? What about the other games and CPU intensive programs?
And i will NEVER trust tiny tom logan for anything
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