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I am new to WC and before I start customizing my case to my liking, I want to get all the WC components so all my measurements line up and I only have to cut once! This is all going into a Corsair 400R that I have added a pedestal on the bottom for the extra 240mm reservoir and moving the PSU little lower. All tubing will be straight with 90 degree turn fixtures.

I was looking at running something like this:
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1) Is that a proper loop and placement for all parts?
2) Is two 240mm reservoirs ok for running on a overclock 3570k (looking to run at 4.3, no more than that) and a 670 FTW that will be OCed (will SLI eventually, so needs to be future proof for that).
3) Would a EK DCP 4.0 pump be good enough for this, or do I need something more powerful?
4) That reservoir is small because between the GPU and 5.25 drive bay (the HD bay will be removed) is only 50mm max. Are their any cyclinder style reservoirs that are thinner than 50mm and as long as 200mm-220mm?
5) Where is a good placement for the drainage pipe to go?
6) Currently I have a fully modular gold HX650 PSU. Is that enough power for 3570k, SLI'ed 670's and the WC system, or will I need to upgrade this to a HX750+?

What I plan on buying so far:
- CPU BLOCK - Koolance CPU-380I
- PUMP - Swiftech MCP655-B
- TOP RADIATOR - - Black Ice GT Stealth 240 X-Flow Radiator - Blue
- RESERVOIR - KOOLANCE TK-120
~ RESERVOIR TOP
~ RESERVOIR BOT

TOTAL: ~ $282

Still going to be looking around for 120mm cylinder reservoirs though. See if I find anything I like better.
Edited by denman - 3/6/13 at 6:28pm
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im assuming the 240mm rectangles are rads mixed up as res? you have the right idea, but the wrong flow order. go the other way around by starting from your res > pump > bottom rad > gpu and so forth. id personally go to the top rad after the gpu then the cpu and back to the res.
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im assuming the 240mm rectangles are rads mixed up as res? you have the right idea, but the wrong flow order. go the other way around by starting from your res > pump > bottom rad > gpu and so forth. id personally go to the top rad after the gpu then the cpu and back to the res.
Why top rad after the GPU? Wouldn't that create more tubing than needed if i go Res>pump>bot rad>gpu>top rad>cpu>res?


EDIT: Ohhh, I see. That way the water gets cooled in between the CPU and GPU.
Edited by denman - 3/5/13 at 7:35pm
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Why top rad after the GPU? Wouldn't that create more tubing than needed if i go Res>pump>bot rad>gpu>top rad>cpu>res?


EDIT: Ohhh, I see. That way the water gets cooled in between the CPU and GPU.
the loop temp is going to equal out, idk if theres an exact reason why, i personally think it looks nicer going from the gpu>rad>cpu, etc.
    
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I think I do like this look a little better as well. Anyone have any answers to the pump question or if two 240mm radiators is enough for an SLI system (future upgrade) and a 3570k, all of which would be OCed. Also, if a 650W PSU is enough for this whole setup?
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2) Is two 240mm radiators ok for running on a overclock 3570k (looking to run at 4.3, no more than that) and a 670 FTW that will be OCed (will SLI eventually, so needs to be future proof for that).

Yes, but you should get thicker radiators such as the Black Ice GTX Series, or Alphacool UT60 (or XSPC RX series if you're on a budget)


3) Would a EK DCP 4.0 pump be good enough for this, or do I need something more powerful?

The standard is the D5 variant (Swiftech MCP655). It provides more than enough head pressure and flow rate for greater watercooling loop expansion in the future. I've not really heard good things about the EK brick pumps, and even then compared to the D5 price wise, the D5 is a better cost-to-performance purchase.


4) That reservoir is small because between the GPU and 5.25 drive bay (the HD bay will be removed) is only 50mm max. Are their any cyclinder style reservoirs that are thinner than 50mm and as long as 200mm-220mm?

If you're struggling for room, why not try a bay reservior? Even better yet, a pump/res combo? It will save you alot of space: Link

 

You use the reservior with a D5 variant pump, such as this: Link


5) Where is a good placement for the drainage pipe to go?

At the lowest point of the loop. Your best bet would be to get an Alphacool 240mm UT60 radiator on the bottom of the rig. It has 6 ports (2 of which have tubing going into them, the two on the other side are blocked, and one of the ports on the top of the radiator has a drainage pipe coming out the bottom of your rig).


6) Currently I have a fully modular gold HX650 PSU. Is that enough power for 3570k, SLI'ed 670's and the WC system, or will I need to upgrade this to a HX750+?

 

It's probably fine, but you'll be getting pretty close to 650W. Upgrading the PSU will increase your power efficiency, but it's probably not necessary. If you're planning on adding a lot of hard drives, or more than one pump, you'll definately want to upgrade. With one GTX670 instead of two, you're perfectly fine.

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2)Yes, but you should get thicker radiators such as the Black Ice GTX Series, or Alphacool UT60 (or XSPC RX series if you're on a budget)
The top radiator, I'm looking to go with a EX240, as the 400R case is very limited on space up top. For the bottom, what are some good, thick, 140mm radiators? I'll be using AF140's on the bottom radiator (or SP120 if I can't find a 140mm rad) and SP120 top radiator (as well as all other intake/exhaust fans).

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The standard is the D5 variant (Swiftech MCP655). It provides more than enough head pressure and flow rate for greater watercooling loop expansion in the future. I've not really heard good things about the EK brick pumps, and even then compared to the D5 price wise, the D5 is a better cost-to-performance purchase.
I've been looking them up and found MCP655 and MCP655-B (without speed controller). Is the speed controller really needed for this setup?

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If you're struggling for room, why not try a bay reservior? Even better yet, a pump/res combo? It will save you alot of space: Link

You use the reservior with a D5 variant pump, such as this: Link
Only reason I am going with the cylinder reservoir is I love how it looks and it works really well with the design/layout of my case I am going for.
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The top radiator, I'm looking to go with a EX240, as the 400R case is very limited on space up top. For the bottom, what are some good, thick, 140mm radiators? I'll be using AF140's on the bottom radiator (or SP120 if I can't find a 140mm rad) and SP120 top radiator (as well as all other intake/exhaust fans).
I've been looking them up and found MCP655 and MCP655-B (without speed controller). Is the speed controller really needed for this setup?
Only reason I am going with the cylinder reservoir is I love how it looks and it works really well with the design/layout of my case I am going for.

 

Alright well to start off, the EX240 series will work fine, however once again I have to recommend the Black Ice GTS (it's the slim version). It has 22FPI (fins per inch), which allows for extremely high energy dissipation versus the EX240's 10 FPI. You'll get more cooling out of it however they can be a lot more expensive than something like an XSPC, so it all depends on the budget.

 

As for 140mm radiators, I'd go with an Alphacool UT60 Single 140mm. The 60mm of thickness combined with the medium fin density will do perfect for you. Alphacool is pretty decent quality as well.

 

Speed control isn't really necessary. An MCP655-B is a regular MCP655 on the '4' speed setting. The B version would probably be your best choice, and still gives pretty much the same flow rate and head pressure as the regular 655.

 

As for the cylinder reservoir, I don't think there are any that are less than 50mm in diameter. I know that the EK X3 series is 60mm, and so is the Bitspower. You may have to do some modding or get creative with the placement.

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Alright well to start off, the EX240 series will work fine, however once again I have to recommend the Black Ice GTS (it's the slim version). It has 22FPI (fins per inch), which allows for extremely high energy dissipation versus the EX240's 10 FPI. You'll get more cooling out of it however they can be a lot more expensive than something like an XSPC, so it all depends on the budget.

EX Rads have 19 FPI per Martins Review
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EX Rads have 19 FPI per Martins Review


Sorry, I'm confused with the RS series. Those have 9 or 11, one of the two.

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