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You know how you can load of google, firefox, and IE and be given "what search engine to use?" Well this was what they promised users when they first connect to the internet. WarZ was pulled off of Steam for the same reasons (with the refund).

The WarZ has absolutely nothing to do with this in any way shape or form....
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The difference between apple and microsoft was market share at the time when microsoft agreed to include other browsers. They basically had a monopoly, could be argued now as well but it was much much worse back then. And because of the marketshare of windows the actions of MS in the browser 'market' were viewed as anti competitive.

Well, since NOW they don't have a monopoly on browsers, I guess that settles it once and for all that what I and many other people have been saying for years is correct.

It doesn't matter if you have a monopoly in software ... all you have to do is write a better program and people will use it and the "Evil Giant Monopoly" will be broken.

That was the case with Internet Explorer, Yahoo, Netscape, Lotus, dBase, AOL, thousands of other programs and online services over the years.
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Well, since NOW they don't have a monopoly on browsers, I guess that settles it once and for all that what I and many other people have been saying for years is correct.

It doesn't matter if you have a monopoly in software ... all you have to do is write a better program and people will use it and the "Evil Giant Monopoly" will be broken.

That was the case with Internet Explorer, Yahoo, Netscape, Lotus, dBase, AOL, thousands of other programs and online services over the years.

I would beg that it is impossible to have a monopoly on such low end software.

Any nerd in a basement with enough time could code something simple, like a web browser.

I could see how a monopoly could be started with software that is more complicated/demanding (both in manpower and financially) would be more difficult to contend with.

With simple programs all you need is a person or two that is skilled, What about programs that take small army's of programmer's and ton's of money to make happen?

**Minor edit for clarity**
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Well, since NOW they don't have a monopoly on browsers, I guess that settles it once and for all that what I and many other people have been saying for years is correct.

It doesn't matter if you have a monopoly in software ... all you have to do is write a better program and people will use it and the "Evil Giant Monopoly" will be broken.

That was the case with Internet Explorer, Yahoo, Netscape, Lotus, dBase, AOL, thousands of other programs and online services over the years.

IE at its prime (read worst: 5-8) had an absolutely massive marketshare despite being a horrible piece of software. The only reason for that was that it was the only browser bundled with windows.

I don't see how being a better piece of software helped firefox/mozilla grab majority marketshare back then?
 
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Usually I am proud of the EU, but this is rolleyes.gif


By this logic MS also has a monopoly on notepad, and all installations should also ship with Notepad++ and 10 other notepad programs.

I understand this fine is because they broke their agreement, but the whole agreement was stupid in the first place.
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Go figure, Greedy American Corporation want's to force user's to use "their" program's by default.. What other American Corperation does this resemble?
I know right?
I hate it when I can't choose default settings. They should ask me what I want in the absence of opposition or a better alternative.


I hate corporatism as much as the next guy, but this fine is just silly.
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Wait, you say windows don't want you to use other browser's? GASP!

Go figure, Greedy American Corporation want's to force user's to use "their" program's by default.. What other American Corperation does this resemble?

I get the feeling that you've got something against Apple... Can't be sure though... tongue.gif
     
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And since all those web browsers are free, including IE, i dunno what the fuss about "market share". Those web browser developers get paid according to how many users install their software ? I don't recall any of them having ads. Then again, im too lazy to try any other browser than IE, maybe I have yet to lose any confidential data.
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I know right?
I hate it when I can't choose default settings. They should ask me what I want in the absence of opposition or a better alternative.


I hate corporatism as much as the next guy, but this fine is just silly.

I think the fine is silly. Why should MS be forced to provide another browser packaged with there software? I think that's stupid. Is there operating system, they can pre package what ever they see fit.

A more reasonable request would be forcing MS to gie end user's the ability to easily remove internet explorer from the system entirely. Now, even though I have Chrome set as my default Browser there are still some windows feature's that will only open IE.

Sorry, Hope that made sense.

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I get the feeling that you've got something against Apple... Can't be sure though... tongue.gif

I loath Apple with ever fiber of my being.

I also applaud them, They have made mind boggling amounts of money off over charging and under delivering, crushing innovation, and making proper ass's of themselves. on such a mind boggling scale it hurts!
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You know how you can load of google, firefox, and IE and be given "what search engine to use?" Well this was what they promised users when they first connect to the internet. WarZ was pulled off of Steam for the same reasons (with the refund).

From what I read they were actually talking about the browser and not the search engine (Bing being the *awful* search engine MS produced) , I noticed you are prompted for a "favorite search engine" selection on 1st use of IE in Windows 7 SP1 (I use european french and US english versions)

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What "Giant" are you talking about ... Microsoft or the European Union? wink.gif

Lol'd hard, I was referring to Microsoft.
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