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No.... they only provide an interface to get the browsers.

Wouldn't this force people to use IE to download said browsers? If they did that, wouldn't it sort of defeat the whole purpose of having them show you an alternative? For everyone I know who doesn't use IE they already know how to find the browser they want. So forcing MS to put a silly selection screen on the install seems like it would be more of an annoyance to the consumer rather than being a convenient way to get your "preferred" browser.

edit : did some research, and it shows http://www.browserchoice.eu/BrowserChoice/browserchoice_en.htm when they open their web browser. So its not on install, it when they first login. On a different subject, I never knew there were this many other browsers lol.
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Wouldn't this force people to use IE to download said browsers? If they did that, wouldn't it sort of defeat the whole purpose of having them show you an alternative? For everyone I know who doesn't use IE they already know how to find the browser they want. So forcing MS to put a silly selection screen on the install seems like it would be more of an annoyance to the consumer rather than being a convenient way to get your "preferred" browser.

IE never opens unless you select it in the screen. It does use the IE Engine to do the download, but other than that no. And I do know of a couple of people who've changed based on the preference screen. Thank god, too biggrin.gif
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Wouldn't this force people to use IE to download said browsers? If they did that, wouldn't it sort of defeat the whole purpose of having them show you an alternative? For everyone I know who doesn't use IE they already know how to find the browser they want. So forcing MS to put a silly selection screen on the install seems like it would be more of an annoyance to the consumer rather than being a convenient way to get your "preferred" browser.

yeah that why I was first thinking that they were supposed to have different browsers in the install files and select one during install. All they need to do is install IE and then the first time IE is opened it need to show the BrowserChoice.eu website so a person can select a different browser if they choose.

Something only needed in the EU...though it might not be that bad if it was required all over. I don't know...I think I am smart enough to figure how to type the name of a browser in a search bar. So maybe I'd be slightly insulted by my government not thinking I have the mental facilities to find my browser of choice on my own.
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So...when's apple getting fined that much for forcing users to use Safari?
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So...when's apple getting fined that much for forcing users to use Safari?

Wont happen seeing as Apple holds far less market share.
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Wont happen seeing as Apple holds far less market share.

Well it could happen...how many people are using Safari on their iPhone because it came out of the box with it on there?

Really I don't know if the market share is that important...it would probably make it easier to say that the culprit is bullying their way around if they had lots of market share, but I think if some one brought the court case for it they'd probably win.
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People in the US should sue companies in the EU for not providing feet, lbs, miles, and Fahrenheit in their software. That we don't have a choice to use other metric systems right off the bat...
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yeah that why I was first thinking that they were supposed to have different browsers in the install files and select one during install. All they need to do is install IE and then the first time IE is opened it need to show the BrowserChoice.eu website so a person can select a different browser if they choose.

Something only needed in the EU...though it might not be that bad if it was required all over. I don't know...I think I am smart enough to figure how to type the name of a browser in a search bar. So maybe I'd be slightly insulted by my government not thinking I have the mental facilities to find my browser of choice on my own.

IT was a punishment.

You don't need to install IE first. It's already there. And a link to this browser choice will be on the desktop.

TO anyone on OCN, it's kind of pointless because we know how to get around this. I personally have an Ninite.com exe in a folder on my PC. However, average users that are not tech savvy will be greeted with this on a new desktop, and will either keep using IE, or take advantage of the ability ot get their chosen browser straight away without having to mess in IE first.

Also, again, I cannot stress this enough, but it's a punishment designed to diminish IE's foothold on the market that they gained illegitimately.
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So...when's apple getting fined that much for forcing users to use Safari?

Apple is not a monopoly doesn't have OEM HW vendors which install OSX by default. Further more unlike Windows you have always been able to completely uninstall Safari, and to top that when this case was got through trial and beyond IE was the default browser on OSX..
 
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IT was a punishment.

You don't need to install IE first. It's already there. And a link to this browser choice will be on the desktop.

TO anyone on OCN, it's kind of pointless because we know how to get around this. I personally have an Ninite.com exe in a folder on my PC. However, average users that are not tech savvy will be greeted with this on a new desktop, and will either keep using IE, or take advantage of the ability ot get their chosen browser straight away without having to mess in IE first.

Also, again, I cannot stress this enough, but it's a punishment designed to diminish IE's foothold on the market that they gained illegitimately.

We're not arguing against that...but if you do to one you should do it to all without exception or the law is no longer "fair" or impartial...it then becomes biased and with an agenda which leads to problems.

I expect that they go after Apple, Google, and anyone else that has an included browser without reminding the user that they have an option for another. Equal treatment under the law or the law is no longer worth following. They all should be punished.
     
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