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Originally Posted by El_Capitan View Post

People in the US should sue companies in the EU for not providing feet, lbs, miles, and Fahrenheit in their software. That we don't have a choice to use other metric systems right off the bat...

They do provide feet, miles etc.

Again people in the US sued /prosecuted MS..
 
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IT was a punishment.

You don't need to install IE first. It's already there. And a link to this browser choice will be on the desktop.

TO anyone on OCN, it's kind of pointless because we know how to get around this. I personally have an Ninite.com exe in a folder on my PC. However, average users that are not tech savvy will be greeted with this on a new desktop, and will either keep using IE, or take advantage of the ability ot get their chosen browser straight away without having to mess in IE first.

Also, again, I cannot stress this enough, but it's a punishment designed to diminish IE's foothold on the market that they gained illegitimately.

I meant that Microsoft can install IE by default...(they = MS in that sentence)

So the BrowserChoice.eu thing is just an icon found on a desktop after a fresh install of a European version of Windows? I was thinking it would appear when IE was opened the first time from what I was reading. I don't know how much of a punishment that is to have an icon for it...I would think the extreme majority of people would ignore it or not notice it.
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We're not arguing against that...but if you do to one you should do it to all without exception or the law is no longer "fair" or impartial...it then becomes biased and with an agenda which leads to problems.

I expect that they go after Apple, Google, and anyone else that has an included browser without reminding the user that they have an option for another. Equal treatment under the law or the law is no longer worth following. They all should be punished.

GOOG wasn't around at that time and Apple shipped with IE..
 
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Originally Posted by El_Capitan View Post

People in the US should sue companies in the EU for not providing feet, lbs, miles, and Fahrenheit in their software. That we don't have a choice to use other metric systems right off the bat...

Feet, miles and pounds are not metric systems. Metric is a decimalised system of measurements and is "base ten" which is exactly how we count and use money.

Feet are base 12, as there are 12 inches to a foot.
Pounds are in base 14, as there are 14 pounds to a stone.
ounces are base 16 as there are 16 ounces to a pound.
Miles


And software makers generally do offer these units of measurement for you.
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I meant that Microsoft can install IE by default...(they = MS in that sentence)

So the BrowserChoice.eu thing is just an icon found on a desktop after a fresh install of a European version of Windows? I was thinking it would appear when IE was opened the first time from what I was reading. I don't know how much of a punishment that is to have an icon for it...I would think the extreme majority of people would ignore it or not notice it.

It's both. It's an icon on the desktop, and it opens the first time you use IE. It's unmissable.
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Feet, miles and pounds are not metric systems. Metric is a decimalised system of measurements and is "base ten" which is exactly how we count and use money.

Feet are base 12, as there are 12 inches to a foot.
Pounds are in base 14, as there are 14 pounds to a stone.
ounces are base 16 as there are 16 ounces to a pound.
Miles


And software makers generally do offer these units of measurement for you.

Americans don't use Stone..That's an English thing..Americans do however speak proper English biggrin.gif It never ceases to amaze me that I can't understand Brits but can Aussie's and Kiwi's tongue.gif
 
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We're not arguing against that...but if you do to one you should do it to all without exception or the law is no longer "fair" or impartial...it then becomes biased and with an agenda which leads to problems.

I expect that they go after Apple, Google, and anyone else that has an included browser without reminding the user that they have an option for another. Equal treatment under the law or the law is no longer worth following. They all should be punished.

But, again, this post bores from a lack of understanding a d knee jerk reaction ot the "bundled brower" aspect.

It's not about the fact that MS bundled IE. It's that MS bundled IE, which was fully functional, albeit inferior, whilst gimping other brwosers intentionally in order to make theirs more appealing and gain amrketshare. They also bribed and bullied OEM's into refusing third party apps on their devices.

Whereas, OSX coming with Safari, for example, isn't an issue, because Apple don't do any of those things. Any browser that passes Apple's restrictions has the ability to be as fully functional as Safari. Apple doesn't gimp competitors browsers in order to gain marketshare.

The law does apply to everyone else. No-one else is allowed to be abusive and belligerent either.
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GOOG wasn't around at that time and Apple shipped with IE..

So then we just say...oh you guys weren't around so the rules don't matter to you? Wow. Why not stop them from ever having the chance of repeating MS's tactics by enforcing the rules on them now? What is so hard about that? Law is supposed to be impartial. The minute you start exceptions is the minute you start cronyism and then wonder why the markets and capitalism aren't doing well. rolleyes.gif
     
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Americans don't use Stone..That's an english thing..American do however speak proper English biggrin.gif It never ceases to amaze me that I can't understand Brits but can Aussie's and Kiwi's tongue.gif

Yep, but it's still counted in base 14 wink.gif

And it's ok, I can't understand other Brits half the time anyway, especially hailing for Yorkshire, where we all talk funny.

But also, Americans speak American English... Not British English. There's a few words that would like to discuss the way they're spelt tongue.gif
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What a problem! People will have to go through IE the first time they use the internet to get another browser! Burn Microsoft, burn!
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