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Not everyone would agree what Microsoft did was wrong.

Not everyone would agree that anti-trust laws are right.

And people are entitled to those opinions. However, just like the opinion that bananas are blue... they are wrong. It's as simple as that.
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I'm doing other stuff in-between biggrin.gif It's called multitasking.

And honestly, any post that says that is wrong and I won't mind putting it in it's place. MS deserved the fine massively. They also deserve to be fined for breaking a court order... anyone who breaks a court order deserves to be slammed hard.

I want to disagree with you here but not fully knowing every aspect of Microsoft's history, and frankly not really caring about it, I guess I can't really. As for court orders.... that's another matter I could probably disagree with too. (Possible anarchist here)
     
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And people are entitled to those opinions. However, just like the opinion that bananas are blue... they are wrong. It's as simple as that.

Oh yeah, please enlighten me as to why, since you seem so good at making an well thought out argument (lolnope).

I'm waiting for a good reason, or are you just agreeing with government for the sake of it?
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Originally Posted by Whiskerz View Post

Oh yeah, please enlighten me as to why, since you seem so good at making an well thought out argument (lolnope).

I'm waiting for a good reason, or are you just agreeing with government for the sake of it?

Which government would he be agreeing with?
 
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Why are people letting their governments make these decisions? Why can't they make their own decisions with their wallets?
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I'm not repeating myself for your benefit. Read the thread. thumb.gif

I have read every post you have made in this thread, just then.

Am I missing something? It just seems like you assuming that your way of thinking is right with no room for argument, not anything enlightening to me.
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Not everyone would agree what Microsoft did was wrong.

Not everyone would agree that anti-trust laws are right.
Correct, but not everyone has to agree.

The vast majorit y of people would agree though.... and that is decision by concensus.

Monopolies can be mathematically proven to harm consumers though. So those who agree anti-trust laws would have to justify the economics loss.
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For someone who is supposedly so smart, you really can be ... obtuse sometimes.

Just because the ruling was such, doesn't mean that people don't know the facts when they (hold on to your hat) ...

GIVE THEIR OPINION THAT THEY THINK THAT MICROSOFT GOT HOSED IN THE CASE AND THAT THEY NEVER SHOULD HAVE LOST.


Yes, I know the facts, and yes I am saying "MS should be allowed to include IE in Windows!"

They are NOT mutually exclusive.

The fact that you fail to see this is utterly astounding.


If you want a parallel example: We all know that OJ Simpson was found guilty of murder. That doesn't change the fact that most people think that he WAS guilty.

Not one person has provide an argument against the case that addresses issue other than the inclusion of IE.

MS should be allowed to include IE in Windows. That's not a point of discussion though... so why keep talking about it?

If you want to disagree.... do so in a constructive way by providing facts and counterpoints.... NOT just opinion. I have linked at least an hour worth of reading material. I know people have not read it and still continue to disagree. If someone has a counter information, I would be happy to read it.
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Which government would he be agreeing with?

Probably the EU, which, I do agree with the government, because I believe in anti-trust laws and consumer protection. Imho, the rights of the consumer trump the rights of a business to act as they please. Not only were MS's actions 15 years ago anti-competitive, but they were anti-consumer.
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I have read every post you have made in this thread, just then.

Am I missing something? It just seems like you assuming that your way of thinking is right with no room for argument, not anything enlightening to me.

Well, that'll be because my way of thinking is indeed right, and as Duckie just mentioned, he's provided plenty of information about the case also.

If you feel like enlightening yourself (since that's the best form of enlightenment, rather than relying on someone else spoon feeding you) then I suggest reading his posts.

The world we live in would be a very different place to be if it weren't for cases like this and the protection these laws afford.
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Correct, but not everyone has to agree.

The vast majorit y of people would agree though.... and that is decision by concensus.

Monopolies can be mathematically proven to harm consumers though. So those who agree anti-trust laws would have to justify the economics loss.
Not one person has provide an argument against the case that addresses issue other than the inclusion of IE.

MS should be allowed to include IE in Windows. That's not a point of discussion though... so why keep talking about it?

If you want to disagree.... do so in a constructive way by providing facts and counterpoints.... NOT just opinion. I have linked at least an hour worth of reading material. I know people have not read it and still continue to disagree. If someone has a counter information, I would be happy to read it.

After reading all the material you linked(well some of it) and giving it some thought, I would say it is an intentionally ironic decision to have MS promote the use of 3rd party browsers on their OS since they persued the exclusion of them in unethical ways. I agree with this and with the outcome entirely. Too bad it's a bit outdated. But I still think that the best way to reduce MS' monopoly currently would be more OS's. I really think like 2 more OS options would be really healthy.
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