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So microsoft cannot make money off their software now? I'm confused Why do add's being on internet explorer's home page have to do with anything? its the flipping internet, there are add's everywhere!

Read the original case and complaint to understand more. Otherwise, you're not going to understand why that was one of many legitimate complaints. ALL of which are no longer in practice thanks to the case and now other browsers are more successful and have an equal chance in the market. The EU result was a fine and a punishment. The punishment is having to supply a choice, and it'#s not born out of the lack of a choice on Windows. There's always been a choice, but it was never a fair game. Now it is a fair game, the EU are forcing MS to show users the choices, as a punishment.









Also, any posts about the EC doing this because they have no money will be reported for trolling.
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So microsoft cannot make money off their software now? I'm confused Why do add's being on internet explorer's home page have to do with anything? its the flipping internet, there are add's everywhere!
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Originally Posted by Code-Red View Post

I don't know of a single person that was forced to use IE. I also don't know anyone who actually does use IE. IE is just a means to get another, better browser.

Lawsuit is a joke.

That's the issue. The easiest way to get other browsers is to use IE.

Before you make baseless assumption.... go back and read what happened. The case is long over and what happened has already been established. MS already lost the case as they willfully forced IE and shut others. They used their size and ownership of the OS to be non-competitive. They made changes in the OS to screw up other browserss.


In fact, MS has already accepted responsibilty with this issue and claim it was due to a technical fault.

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Did the EU finally run out of serfs subjects to tax or something?
No, MS broke a legally binding decision that they signed years ago. They already admitted fault.
Edited by DuckieHo - 3/6/13 at 6:22am
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Oh and when you say "since when did people not have a choice" which browser do you have to use when you go to download another browser? Internet Explorer. How many ads are on it's homepage? Many. How many ads are on the Firefox browser homepage? None How many ads are on the Chrome homepage? None Opera? Is it, or is it not, thanks to this anti-trust case that other browsers can now fully enjoy many features of Windows that were previously artificially locked out to them and only available to IE? Yes it is.

Last time I checked, a web browsers home page is NOT the "entire internet". As I surf the internet, I see (and have for coming up on 2 decades now) TONS adds for other browsers, programs, etc. Not to mention "word of mouth" from sites like this one, and "Spam email" from everywhere. Heck, I even see/hear Google Chrome ads on the TV and radio. There are are hundreds of magazines that they advertise in.

So please stop acting like there is only one way to get information about alternatives to IE, that is even more silly that the EU lawsuit and ruling.
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They're right, I haven't seen that webbrowser choice screen in months. Years even.
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That's the issue. The easiest way to get other browsers is to use IE.

Before you make baseless assumption.... go back and read what happened. MS already lost the case as they willfully forced IE. In fact, MS has already accepted responsibilty with this issue and claim it was due to a technical fault.

So? Use IE ONCE and you never have to use it again.

I just did that on 4 computers I just built up. I fired up IE once, went to http://ninite.com/ and got what I wanted with a dozen clicks, grabbed a cup of coffee and when I came back, I never had to use IE ever again.


Yes, Microsoft lost and they owe the money ... on paper ... for now. You can bet they won't pay one red cent before they appeal.
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Also, any posts about the EC doing this because they have no money will be reported for trolling.

Really? Aren't you just a little bit biased, considering you're an Linux enthusiast from Europe?

Anyhow, I guess we can easily recoup our money by putting more sanctions on Airbus.
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I am not very familiar with other operating systems but how do for instance Mac OS, iOS or Android work? Do you get to choose which one you want to install upon first use?
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They're right, I haven't seen that webbrowser choice screen in months. Years even.

It's the first time I see that screen...
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Last time I checked, a web browsers home page is NOT the "entire internet". As I surf the internet, I see (and have for coming up on 2 decades now) TONS adds for other browsers, programs, etc. Not to mention "word of mouth" from sites like this one, and "Spam email" from everywhere. Heck, I even see/hear Google Chrome ads on the TV and radio. There are are hundreds of magazines that they advertise in.

So please stop acting like there is only one way to get information about alternatives to IE, that is even more silly that the EU lawsuit and ruling.

...in 1999? I don't think so.

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So? Use IE ONCE and you never have to use it again.

I just did that on 4 computers I just built up. I fired up IE once, went to http://ninite.com/ and got what I wanted with a dozen clicks, grabbed a cup of coffee and when I came back, I never had to use IE ever again.


Yes, Microsoft lost and they owe the money ... on paper ... for now. You can bet they won't pay one red cent before they appeal.
It doesn't matter what your opinion is based on what you know today.

People who are much smarter than you (in law and technology) have already hashed this out. MS lost... it's a moot point.

If you want to disagree this, I highly recommend you at least become knowledgable in the circumstances of the case first.

Here's a starting point at Wiki about this original case:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Microsoft_competition_case

...and here's info about MS's "Embrace, Extend, and Exterminate" tactics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish
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If you want to disagree this, I highly recommend you at least become knowledgable in the circumstances of the case first.

Don't confuse knowledgeable with self interest and politics. Just because a court has ruled one way doesn't mean it won't be overturned or it is "right". Courts, all over the world, for hundreds of years, have ruled that slavery was legal. I'm sure those people also knew more about the law than me also.

Legal != Justice
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Also, any posts about the EC doing this because they have no money will be reported for trolling.

Would it be tolling if it was true?

As far as this case is concerned. It was flawed from the start. No one could compete with MS because no one had as good of a product. So now they need to try to hold them back for some reason.
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