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Actually the more appropriate analogy would be if Ford MADE THEIR OWN tires and made the truck and tires together in a way that is difficult for other tire companies to make tires for the Ford. Guess what...it happens all the time...but not tires...engine parts, suspension parts, etc. These cars are designed in a way that you can't just bolt on anybody elses parts. But in the software business it's a no no.

That is a ridiculous take on it and not at all right.
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That is a ridiculous take on it and not at all right.

actually it sounds about right to me...
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Actually, this is exactly that.

The fine is a result of MS not following the terms of that settlement.



I can't see how they agreed to those terms anyway. A ballot box for software is just crazy. I guess I don't even remember that being a part of the settlement. I think they were supposed to make it possible to uninstall IE though...I don't think that ever happened so MS probably has more fines incoming. Which just makes me mad...all that happens is that MS passes the extra costs along to the consumers. I don't think these fines ever do much of anything other than help the governments get some more money...which isn't a bad thing either...just sucks that some will come out of my pockets as well for a government I am not part of.
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That is a ridiculous take on it and not at all right.

How is that incorrect and rediculous?
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There is another way to get a web browser without using IE on a fresh install, so you might want to change your "On a fresh install there are only two ways to get a different browser:" comment.

Technically that's more like a hack to open the IE, useful if say you didnt have permissions to run iexplore.exe. But it's still using the IE HTML Renderer, so basically the same thing as using IE. A real alternative would be doing something like this:

http://www.mattsilverman.com/2009/06/how-to-download-firefox-without-a-web-browser.html

Using FTP.exe, it still exists on Win7, it's an old article.
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MS were blocking others, while pretending they weren't, then fessed up during court cases. They were in the wrong and engaging in anti-competitive practices. As a punishment, they were fined and forced the offer a choice.

So what?

It's their OS, they should be allowed to blow what ever software they want in their operating system. What next, the EU is going to sue Microsoft because they are blocking spyware, trojans and viri in their OS?

If Google is pissed that that Microsoft doesn't allow Chrome in Windows, maybe Google should write their own operating system ... oh wait, maybe that is a bad example since they have.

Maybe it Opera pissed that that Microsoft doesn't allow Opera in Windows, maybe Opera should write their own operating system ... oh wait, maybe that is a bad example since they have.

Maybe it Firefox pissed that that Microsoft doesn't allow Firefox in Windows, maybe Firefox should write their own operating system ... oh wait, maybe that is a bad example since they have.

Etc, etc, etc.
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Do you people not remember the internet in the 90's? Do you guys not remember MS in the 90's? Do you not remember not remember MS loosing two court cases for anti competitive practices in the early 2000's? Do you not remember the browser wars? This still stems from all that we all gave MS WAY to much leeway because computers will still sorta new and the main stream internet had really only been around sin '93-'94..

MS got a well deserved kick in the shorts

From Wiki:

"Later, in October the US Justice Department also sued Microsoft for violating a 1994 consent decree by forcing computer makers to include its Internet browser as a part of the installation of Windows software.

Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates was called "evasive and nonresponsive" by a source present at a session in which Gates was questioned on his deposition.[4] He argued over the definitions of words such as "compete", "concerned", "ask", and "we".[5] BusinessWeek reported, "Early rounds of his deposition show him offering obfuscatory answers and saying 'I don't recall' so many times that even the presiding judge had to chuckle. Worse, many of the technology chief's denials and pleas of ignorance have been directly refuted by prosecutors with snippets of email Gates both sent and received."[6] Intel Vice-President Steven McGeady, called as a witness, quoted Paul Maritz, a senior Microsoft vice president as having stated an intention to "extinguish" and "smother" rival Netscape Communications Corporation and to "cut off Netscape's air supply" by giving away a clone of Netscape's flagship product for free"

"On November 2, 2001, the DOJ reached an agreement with Microsoft to settle the case. The proposed settlement required Microsoft to share its application programming interfaces with third-party companies and appoint a panel of three people who will have full access to Microsoft's systems, records, and source code for five years in order to ensure compliance.[21] However, the DOJ did not require Microsoft to change any of its code nor prevent Microsoft from tying other software with Windows in the future. On August 5, 2002, Microsoft announced that it would make some concessions towards the proposed final settlement ahead of the judge's verdict. On November 1, 2002, Judge Kollar-Kotelly released a judgment accepting most of the proposed DOJ settlement. Nine states (California, Connecticut, Iowa, Florida, Kansas, Minnesota, Utah, Virginia and Massachusetts) and the District of Columbia (which had been pursuing the case together with the DOJ) did not agree with the settlement, arguing that it did not go far enough to curb Microsoft's anti-competitive business practices.[citation needed] On June 30, 2004, the U.S. appeals court unanimously approved the settlement with the Justice Department, rejecting objections that the sanctions were inadequate."

"Microsoft's obligations under the settlement, as originally drafted, expired on November 12, 2007.[27] However, Microsoft later "agreed to consent to a two-year extension of part of the Final Judgments" dealing with communications protocol licensing"

Which is why like magic Windows 7 was the first Windows OS that you could completely remove IE from..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft

MS has never been kind nor gentle..I really wish the USG had broken them up we might actually have some competition in the OS realm instead of 90% Windows 6% OSX and 4% everything else or whatever the current numbers are.
 
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Technically that's more like a hack to open the IE, useful if say you didnt have permissions to run iexplore.exe. But it's still using the IE HTML Renderer, so basically the same thing as using IE. A real alternative would be doing something like this:

http://www.mattsilverman.com/2009/06/how-to-download-firefox-without-a-web-browser.html

Using FTP.exe, it still exists on Win7, it's an old article.

Yup, there are several other ways as well.

My point was there isn't just 2 ways.
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Thats a silly thing to agree to.
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It was already re-darn-diculous, but now hilarity ensues.

Do I smell a sudden 'unexplained' lack of Windows support in Europe coming? Good thing the XBox 360 isn't as popular over there....
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