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FYI, in case you weren't aware, the Samsung 840 (non-Pro) uses the new TLC NAND as opposed to MLC NAND. It is the first TLC drive out there. Though, Samsung is making their own TLC NAND as opposed to relying on another supplier, so that is good. Testing and benchmarking thus far has been good re: TLC though in theory it will not last as long as MLC. But most of us around here upgrade and replace things long before that will even come into play. Samsung does seem to be making quality parts with good reliability and makes the controller and NAND themselves. So in theory they have a product in which all the pieces work together better as they were designed in house.

Here are a couple links to some of anandtech's reviews that explain TLC:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6337/samsung-ssd-840-250gb-review/2
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6459/samsung-ssd-840-testing-the-endurance-of-tlc-nand

That said, I personally didn't feel comfortable jumping on the first TLC drive out there. I just ordered a 256gb Plextor M5P xtreme to replace a 64gb Crucial M4.

But between your choice of Sandisk or Samsung...I'd buy Samsung.
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Samsung without a question.
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Thanks for the link texas... i'll surely check that out.

I'm a complete newb... so i have no clue what any of that TLC vs. MLC stuff means. I'll have to dig deeper.


The "hands down" comments seriously don't help TBH guys. I'm thankful of course for the comments... but getting a "hands down" response with no substance behind it is as good as recommending someone to buy an Audi instead of an Acura "hands down". If I were choosing cars.. i'd at LEAST wanna know WHY... ie "the Audi is better handsdown b/c it is AWD and has better acceleration and the Acura is front wheel drive so it will slip more in the snow and it's slower". Responses like that are actually helpful. The "hands down" responses don't help all that much.

If you believe it's a handsdown choice.. PLEASE PLEASE tell me WHY. I'm a total newb. I'm not dumb.. and I do my own research of course... but I need a little help and you're not really helping me. Nothing i've researched yet as made this sound like a cut & dry win for either SSD.
post #14 of 37
As stated above the 840 (non-pro) drives use TLC NAND. This theoretically will not last as long as other drives. If you plan on keeping the drive for a long time and not replacing it,you should go for the Sandisk drive.
Review of the Samsung Drive and explanation of TLC
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/02/19/samsung_840_120gb_ssd_review/#.UTeQn9ZQF2A

Looking at the two drives from a performance standpoint the Sandisk drive shows a faster sequential write speed while being almost equal to the Samsung drive in sequential read speeds. 4k tests should also be included but I cannot find any because most webistes are blocked (I'm at school).
http://www.storagereview.com/sandisk_extreme_ssd_review
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/02/19/samsung_840_120gb_ssd_review/#.UTeQn9ZQF2A

Looking at the cost the Samsung 840s are currently on sale at newegg.com and are a tad cheaper than other drives.

Since you are not going to be writing much (if any) data to the drive I would probably go with the Samsung because I have heard many good things about their drives, the performance (Read speeds) is equal to the Sandisk drive, and the Samsung drives are also on sale. Again, this is assuming you are not worried about the lifespan of the drive.
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Even with very HEAVY WRITES, EVERY DAY!, the non pro version will last you years and years. The longevity isnt really an issue between the pro and non pro. (For 95% of users. IMO)
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Come on...

They say the Samsung non-pro will last around 40 years. Do you really think you will keep an SSD for that long?
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Come on...

They say the Samsung non-pro will last around 40 years. Do you really think you will keep an SSD for that long?
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Even with very HEAVY WRITES, EVERY DAY!, the non pro version will last you years and years. The longevity isnt really an issue between the pro and non pro. (For 95% of users. IMO)


From article: "The reviews of two more SSDs followed as we began our testing of the TLC-powered versions of the 840. The Samsung 840 Series TLC 250GB SSD also performed well in our testing, surprising us with the performance of the TLC NAND. TLC is inherently slower in some performance metrics, particularly sequential write speed. Even the notably lower sequential write speed did not hold the 250GB 840 back from great steady state performance in our trace-based testing, winning the [H]ardOCP Editors Choice Silver Award. We did express our reservations about the speed and endurance of the smaller 120GB capacity TLC 840 SSD in this review. We took the unusual step of reserving giving the same SSD, albeit at a smaller capacity, the Silver Award due to the technical limitations of the 120GB SSD. This reduction in performance is due to markedly lower write speeds and a smaller amount of NAND onboard the SSD. The limited amount of NAND could also lead to endurance issues, with only 3.5-4 years of endurance in light usage scenarios."

The article I cited said around 4 years. This may be an issue for certain people who do not upgrade their PCs are frequently as some of us do. rolleyes.gif

For someone like me however, the lifespan would not affect my choice but I am not everybody.
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From article: "The reviews of two more SSDs followed as we began our testing of the TLC-powered versions of the 840. The Samsung 840 Series TLC 250GB SSD also performed well in our testing, surprising us with the performance of the TLC NAND. TLC is inherently slower in some performance metrics, particularly sequential write speed. Even the notably lower sequential write speed did not hold the 250GB 840 back from great steady state performance in our trace-based testing, winning the [H]ardOCP Editors Choice Silver Award. We did express our reservations about the speed and endurance of the smaller 120GB capacity TLC 840 SSD in this review. We took the unusual step of reserving giving the same SSD, albeit at a smaller capacity, the Silver Award due to the technical limitations of the 120GB SSD. This reduction in performance is due to markedly lower write speeds and a smaller amount of NAND onboard the SSD. The limited amount of NAND could also lead to endurance issues, with only 3.5-4 years of endurance in light usage scenarios."

The article I cited said around 4 years. This may be an issue for certain people who do not upgrade their PCs are frequently as some of us do. rolleyes.gif

For someone like me however, the lifespan would not affect my choice but I am not everybody.

What's the source? All the articles I've seen stated around 40 years.
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What's the source? All the articles I've seen stated around 40 years.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/02/19/samsung_840_120gb_ssd_review/#.UTea-tZQF2B
Last sentence of the 4th paragraph.
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I'm looking moreso for a "one and done" scenario. I've been doing so much upgrading of my system over the last 2-3 years that I'm looking to buy the SSD that i will keep until it breaks... so as long as possible, The only final upgrade I will want to do is change my i73820 to an i7 3930K or whatever 8core chips intel comes out with for the LGA 2011. I don't want to switch harddrives out if i can afford to do so.

120GB is more than enough for my music DAW & all of my VST instruments. The sample libraries for the VSTs (which do get HUGE) are on separate drives. And all music storage and audio file writing will be done also on separate drives. This SSD i'm buying right now will be strictly for longterm use of my OS, DAW, programs, and VST instruments.


I don't think I mentioned any of the above yet lol.. sorry about that.


So.... I think i'm heavily leaning to the Sandisk now between these two options.... especially since the non-pro won't last all that long and is unproven. (The Plextor drive actually looks VERY good... but i don't want to wait for it to come i nthe mail lol.. i'm so anxious to get this done... i can pick up the Sandisk from my local Micro Center literally on payday. But since I have to wait for my case to ship... i seriously might order the plextor now).

Decisions decisions man... *sigh*
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