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quite frankly, i've seen none that say the 128gb model will last 40.

The anantech review I listed above (testing endurance) does estimate 11 yrs for a generic 128gb tlc drive, but no where near 40. Maybe a review on the 512 gave that? But the OP is specifically looking at the 128.

The specific anandtech review for the TLC 840 does estimate 3.5 yrs for the 128gb model like hardocp does.

The hardocp review:
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While we continue to recommend higher capacity Samsung TLC Model 840 SSDs, the TLC-equipped 120GB 840 Series SSD is simply not a good option for consumers. 3.5 to 4 years of projected light use is an endurance concern that users would be advised to watch closely if they were to purchase this SSD. Slow write speeds across the board in tandem with poor read and write maximum latency performance should overcome any temptation for saving a few bucks with this value SSD.

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I'll defintiely be doing some google searches as well.

when you say "find out much more" are you alluding to some knowledge that i'll probably find out? Or are you just saying "do an internet search u idiot lmao" haha.

Take your pick - ha!

No - joking! There will be reviews on both which will give so much info.

I myself Samsung all the way they have such a good following. Also Newegg is a good tool for feedback. If you can sniff out the trollers!
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Hey everyone,

I'll start by saying I love this freakin forum. You guys knwo what the heck you're talking about.
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I am building a new computer finally to be the center of my music production studio. i7 3820, ASUS Rampage IV mobo. Now it's time to grab the new OS SSD drive. I currently have an older 80GB Intel x25-m drive as my system drive. It's pretty quick obviously b/c it's an SSD.. but I want to take advantage of SATA III now. I'll use this as a backup to hold some of my smaller sound libraries. I grabbed a 256 GB Sandisk SSD for the large sample libraries. I'm okay with that since it is a "read only" situation by nature. My VST just reads the sample data.... doesn't write anything at all.


So... I did a search and it seems to consensus is that the Samsung is one of the best SSDs out right now. However.. I have one major concern.

I only can afford the 120GB one, which is about $99 at microcenter. The Sandisk is also $99 at microcenter. However... if you look at the specs... the Samsung's specs say it only writes up to 130Mbps. The Sandisk reports to write up to 510Mbps. That's a HUGE DIFFERENCE! I know it's just theoretical.. but still.. that's a huge gap... and the write time of the Samsung doesn't even seem to go past SATA II speeds.
It isn't theoretical, those are the speeds at which they can actually write.
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So... my question is... would the Sandisk be the better buy here?
It really is tough lol. The 840 has great reads but slacks a little on seq writes...tho that wont matter for your use.
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Would I risk anything in terms of stability?
No.
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Or.. is the write time of the Samsung seriously not even a problem?
For just OS use there will be no issue.

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I'm leaning Sandisk here b/c of the write times.... but... I know Samsung makes quality computer parts.


Also... i'm not totally sold on just the Sandisk b/c I will in fact be using the SSD JUST as an OS disk for Win 7. I will only have the OS, my programs, and VSTs. I will not be writing audio to it (I keep a trusty 7200rpm for that task). The only thing writing to the disk will be whatever behind the scenes stuff Win 7 will write. But I don't know if that's enough to affect the performance.


Any suggestions? I can't afford a Crucial SSD. They're asking for too much. Same with Intel.


Thanks!
Most drives perform similarly so if you find a similar cheaper you could just go with that as well.

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Thanks for the link texas... i'll surely check that out.

I'm a complete newb... so i have no clue what any of that TLC vs. MLC stuff means. I'll have to dig deeper.
TLC vs MLC.

TLC is triple level cell NAND. Basically it is the memory type the drive has. MLC is Multi level cell

Go here and read under memory: http://www.overclock.net/t/1179518/seans-ssd-buyers-guide-information-thread/0_50#user_SSDComponents

TLC is rated for 1000 Program/erase cycles while MLC is rated for 3000 P/E cycles. So 3x as many writes.
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The "hands down" comments seriously don't help TBH guys. I'm thankful of course for the comments... but getting a "hands down" response with no substance behind it is as good as recommending someone to buy an Audi instead of an Acura "hands down". If I were choosing cars.. i'd at LEAST wanna know WHY... ie "the Audi is better handsdown b/c it is AWD and has better acceleration and the Acura is front wheel drive so it will slip more in the snow and it's slower". Responses like that are actually helpful. The "hands down" responses don't help all that much.

If you believe it's a handsdown choice.. PLEASE PLEASE tell me WHY. I'm a total newb. I'm not dumb.. and I do my own research of course... but I need a little help and you're not really helping me. Nothing i've researched yet as made this sound like a cut & dry win for either SSD.
IDK if there is a hands down winner as they both are good and the same price. Maybe wait for a sale?
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^thanks man...


so, i found some benchmarks lol.... don't ask why i didn't search for this first. took my brain a little while to get into research mode.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/ssd-charts-2012/AS-SSD-4K-Random-Read,2784.html


Benchmarks have the Samsung Pro doubling the Sandisk Extreme on read times AND write times w/ these benchies... despite the Mbps difference.


There's a strong chance i'll grab the Samsung now.. might get the 840 pro 128GB, even if it's $149. With concrete numbers.. i'm okay w/ justifying the price increase if it means i didn't skimp on my system drive.

still researching.. but Samsung is winning for me right now. I thought you said it wasn't "theoretical". I kinda sorta know what i'm talking about wink.gif
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^thanks man...


so, i found some benchmarks lol.... don't ask why i didn't search for this first. took my brain a little while to get into research mode.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/ssd-charts-2012/AS-SSD-4K-Random-Read,2784.html


Benchmarks have the Samsung Pro doubling the Sandisk Extreme on read times AND write times w/ these benchies... despite the Mbps difference.
Yea, those are the 4k speed results. Not the seq speeds. Also, I though you were talking about the 840, not the 840 pro earlier.
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There's a strong chance i'll grab the Samsung now.. might get the 840 pro 128GB, even if it's $149. With concrete numbers.. i'm okay w/ justifying the price increase if it means i didn't skimp on my system drive.
Honestly there will hardly be a difference in just using it as an OS drive. I'd spend half of it an an alternative 120/128GB drive myself. I got a Plextor M5 Pro for $87 and a samsung 830 for $70 recently.
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still researching.. but Samsung is winning for me right now. I thought you said it wasn't "theoretical". I kinda sorta know what i'm talking about wink.gif
Speeds are not theoretical like I said. Rated speeds are the actual speeds the drives get in the tests they are rated with.
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I hate my Samsung 840.
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I hate my Samsung 840.
Cool, lol.

Why?
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Cool, lol.

Why?

Man,.. I just got this SSD. I used to have a m4 crucial 128GB it never gave me problems. This Samsung has this micro stutter in all my games its frustrating. I want to return it but newegg only lets me replace it. I updated the firmware on it and in samsung magician. it says the drive is good, its in ACHI mode, Sata 6gbs is turned on, and maximum performance is on. I dont know what else to do.
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Man,.. I just got this SSD. I used to have a m4 crucial 128GB it never gave me problems. This Samsung has this micro stutter in all my games its frustrating. I want to return it but newegg only lets me replace it. I updated the firmware on it and in samsung magician. it says the drive is good, its in ACHI mode, Sata 6gbs is turned on, and maximum performance is on. I dont know what else to do.

Either I am going to learn something new here, or you are trolling hard core. How does an SSD cause microstutter?
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Man,.. I just got this SSD. I used to have a m4 crucial 128GB it never gave me problems. This Samsung has this micro stutter in all my games its frustrating. I want to return it but newegg only lets me replace it. I updated the firmware on it and in samsung magician. it says the drive is good, its in ACHI mode, Sata 6gbs is turned on, and maximum performance is on. I dont know what else to do.

Either I am going to learn something new here, or you are trolling hard core. How does an SSD cause microstutter?
I'm currently helping him fix the issue. It is most likely a driver issue or OS corruption.

Seems like we fixed it. smile.gif
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