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I mean physical limitations of the Silicon. External factors not taken into consideration. Your subsystem will still be limited to dual QPI.
That is correct Boxboro only used 4 qpi links so the communication to the other 4 procs was done trough a chipset.
QPI1.1 should fix this allowing direct communication.
There was a very interesting schematic for both X8OBN-F board which is 8way 1567 and the 4 way boards which really clears up the air around this issue.

We're getting a bit off topic rolleyes.gif
post #72 of 114
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Don't get so hostile man. Chill out, drink some water and read my post again. MC, Interlagos and Abu Dhabi are weaker than Nehalem and Sandy-EP which is why Intel doesn't really feel the pressure. AMD can however place 4 processors in a single system.

Which still has absolutely nothing to do with altering Intel's release cycle. SB-E was still released before Bulldozer, and offered far better performance/watt.

People think these decisions are done within weeks or months, when in fact, roadmaps and development schedules are set years in advance, irrelevant of what the competition is doing. Refreshes, like clock speed bumps, can be done within weeks or months, but a major release takes a lot of time.

Delays, on the other hand, are done due to immediate financial or technical issues. Like delaying of a new generation to help clear out old generation stock. Or the CPU not quite performing up to spec, but close enough that a little further tweaking would iron out the issues and just set things back by a month or two.
Edited by Tsumi - 3/10/13 at 6:59am
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Which still has absolutely nothing to do with altering Intel's release cycle. SB-E was still released before Bulldozer, and offered far better performance/watt.

People think these decisions are done within weeks or months, when in fact, roadmaps and development schedules are set years in advance, irrelevant of what the competition is doing. Refreshes, like clock speed bumps, can be done within weeks or months, but a major release takes a lot of time.

Delays, on the other hand, are done due to immediate financial or technical issues. Like delaying of a new generation to help clear out old generation stock. Or the CPU not quite performing up to spec, but close enough that a little further tweaking would iron out the issues and just set things back by a month or two.
Which still has absolutely nothing to do with AMD being better price/performance for those who don't care performance/watt
post #74 of 114
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Which still has absolutely nothing to do with altering Intel's release cycle. SB-E was still released before Bulldozer, and offered far better performance/watt.

People think these decisions are done within weeks or months, when in fact, roadmaps and development schedules are set years in advance, irrelevant of what the competition is doing. Refreshes, like clock speed bumps, can be done within weeks or months, but a major release takes a lot of time.

Delays, on the other hand, are done due to immediate financial or technical issues. Like delaying of a new generation to help clear out old generation stock. Or the CPU not quite performing up to spec, but close enough that a little further tweaking would iron out the issues and just set things back by a month or two.

I don't see the problem. They don't have to push out IB-E due to lack of competition, hence the delay. SB-E came along just fine. You haven't said anything conflicting with my initial post in this thread aside from talking about release dates which you already deemed to be irrelevant due to the design process...
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Which still has absolutely nothing to do with AMD being better price/performance for those who don't care performance/watt

Servers who care about price/performance definitely look at performance/watt, and electrical costs in the long term.

Anyways, the original person I replied to said Nehalem was released due to pressure from Deneb, which is talking about desktop CPUs by the way (Deneb specifically refers to Phenom II x4), which I then pointed out Nehalem was released before Deneb, so how could Deneb be putting pressure on Intel to release Nehalem? And then the other guy for some reason brought in server CPUs, which on top of being completely unrelated, Nehalem was still released before AMD's DDR3 Opterons. And all of the sudden we're now talking about 4P and 2P systems and price/performance and performance/watt?
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Servers who care about price/performance definitely look at performance/watt, and electrical costs in the long term.

Anyways, the original person I replied to said Nehalem was released due to pressure from Deneb, which is talking about desktop CPUs by the way (Deneb specifically refers to Phenom II x4), which I then pointed out Nehalem was released before Deneb, so how could Deneb be putting pressure on Intel to release Nehalem? And then the other guy for some reason brought in server CPUs, which on top of being completely unrelated, Nehalem was still released before AMD's DDR3 Opterons. And all of the sudden we're now talking about 4P and 2P systems and price/performance and performance/watt?
You think power usage can justify the 10K extra ((platform/processor cost)/performance)/watt.
Power is cheap when we are talking high end servers that can go up to 100K a server!
post #77 of 114
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Servers who care about price/performance definitely look at performance/watt, and electrical costs in the long term.

Anyways, the original person I replied to said Nehalem was released due to pressure from Deneb, which is talking about desktop CPUs by the way (Deneb specifically refers to Phenom II x4), which I then pointed out Nehalem was released before Deneb, so how could Deneb be putting pressure on Intel to release Nehalem? And then the other guy for some reason brought in server CPUs, which on top of being completely unrelated, Nehalem was still released before AMD's DDR3 Opterons. And all of the sudden we're now talking about 4P and 2P systems and price/performance and performance/watt?

 

That's because these chips are designed for servers and workstations. The high leakage and faulty ones become gaming chips. It isn't bad that you didn't know, but don't go attacking people based on that. I never claimed AMD was competitive back then or that it was related to Nehalem and Westmere. You already seem to know about VLSI design, so I don't think I have to explain why Intel pushed out Nehalem and Sandy-EP regardless. The problem is that at Ivy-EP there is just no pressure from AMD anymore. They can afford to push back the release by a quarter.

 

You shouldn't see it as an attack, just as you were correcting Hukkel I was correcting you. I have nothing to do with the Deneb statement which was more competitive with Yorkfield and Kentsfield anyways from a performance perspective...

post #78 of 114
Blade servers and in fact server farms aren't about power but about how many parallel cores you can get.
That's where AMD gave Intel trouble all this while and yeah i accidentally typed in deneb so tongue.gif

AND YES, most server farms do care about efficiency/watt and AMD multi socket systems are just much more CHEAPER
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AMD can't even compete with the standard quad-core i7 chips for the Z77 platform, so I don't think that their lack of performance has anything to do with the delay.

It has everything to do with it. Why would Intel bring out a new chipset and cpu for enthousiasts if the competition can't even cope with the previous line up? DDR4 has nothing to do with it. If they would release the extreme setup half a year later than the regular line up Haswell-E would have been ready for DDR4. There is no need to wait for it if you bring out a new range every year.

Intel just has no competition with their 6 core cpus. So they can wait forever to bring out IB-E or even not reale it at all and just move onto the next gen.
 
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What???

2.0 x4 is a big bottle neck. X8 minimum.

No it's not especially at higher res. 3.0 X4 is better then 2.0 X8



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