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oh yeah, don't get me wrong, the amount of force needed with the reds is very low and nearly unnoticeable on my fiico, but its not the fingers that hurt, its the wrists. The amount of accidently key presses, the awkward typing, the height off the ground (regardless of a foam pad or any type of wrist support, it just doesn't cut it for me for long periods of times. I've always gone back to either the scissor (I even think the MSI's one on my g80 is meh but at least better then the mechanical for extended periods of times) or just a basic but good membrane. My favorite keyboards were the curve 2000, the lenovo/ibm keybaord, the old dell stock keyboards that were just rebranded logitechs, and a couple of other membranes. I love mechanicals, don't get me wrong, but I just can't use for them for long periods of times. But in the end, even though I find them better for gaming, I end up just going back to the simple membrane keyboards and just get advantages in both worlds. Now if they took those keyboards and put the switches in them, that would be great. They seriously got to branch out the the 80s market and make similar keyboard designs like the rest of them and just put switch in there. That would be best!

my das keyboard is really comfortable. too bad mechs dont work for you. to each his own though.
 
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Maybe it's the way I have my armrests set up and the fact that I use a keyboard tray but I don't have those same sort of problems. I also love that my Quickfire Rapid is tenkeyless, I actually find it quite ergonomic. Definitely no worse than any regular membrane keyboard I've use.
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Browns are almost identical to rubber dome keyboards. On a force diagram they are identical except 10 grams lighter.

If you like rubber domes just buy some browns. If you want something even more ergonomic buy reds. Short key travels are not ergonomic despite popular belief, they require a lot of sudden force for such a short travel and cause carpal tunnel and joint fatigue because the energy is sent back through your finger instead of diffusing through a full keystroke.
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I don't think it's for sale yet. They are going to come out soon, if they are already on the CM store website, though.
Yes they have been for sale, probably just sold out, i bought one from mechanicalkeyboards.com but sold it as my ducky MX green arrived the same day, and didn't want a TKL
    
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no...he is completely right. the keys are so far off the ground given the design of the switch it isn't even funny... i've gone through reds, browns, blues, blacks... nuffa. I love them for gaming but outside of that... after using them for awhile... its painful... i've always typed faster on a membrane.
Have you ever tried a Topre switch? They sound like they'd be right up your alley.
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no...he is completely right. the keys are so far off the ground given the design of the switch it isn't even funny... i've gone through reds, browns, blues, blacks... nuffa. I love them for gaming but outside of that... after using them for awhile... its painful... i've always typed faster on a membrane.
Have you ever tried a Topre switch? They sound like they'd be right up your alley.

They can be very very expensive though. tongue.gif
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They can be very very expensive though. tongue.gif
Shhhhh! We need to convince him he has to try them first, *then* hit him with the uncomfortable pricing.
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no...he is completely right. the keys are so far off the ground given the design of the switch it isn't even funny... i've gone through reds, browns, blues, blacks... nuffa. I love them for gaming but outside of that... after using them for awhile... its painful... i've always typed faster on a membrane.
Have you ever tried a Topre switch? They sound like they'd be right up your alley.

I think I have or a switch very similar to it. But it is not the switch that gets to me, it's the key design. PBT caps might help, but frankly...
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I think I have or a switch very similar to it. But it is not the switch that gets to me, it's the key design. PBT caps might help, but frankly...

Frankly what?

How would PBT keycaps reduce key travel? All your arguments thus far have been about key travel and key spacing being too far (which is a little silly when you consider most membrane keyboards have similar travel and spacing anyway). If you somehow think membrane keyboards have better quality plastics in their keycaps you are just delusional.

As for having something "very similar" to Topre switches - no, no you do not. You've either used a Topre, or you haven't. If you don't know for sure, you haven't. They're incredibly expensive and uncommon. You probably would love them though, as they feel more or less like really nice membrane keyboards that never wear out and don't jiggle.

At any rate, you should probably look into Cherry ML instead of the more common MX variety switches seeing as you seem to prefer less key travel, closer spaced key caps, and don't seem to give a rat's behind about tactility. An alternate route would be to simply find a Cherry MX board with the spacing you like (it's not impossible, just uncommon due to lack of demand), and just stick some thick o-rings on the keycaps to reduce key travel.
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Honestly, on my daskeyboard I type much faster, and I am much more accurate on it. Other keyboards I mess up a lot and I get tired much more quickly.

I dont think Cherry MX Greens are anything new unless you are very out of the loop. they have been making them for a very long time. I believe Greens are to Blues what Clears are to Browns. Just a stiffer Blue. Which is cool, but I dont think stiffer is better. The best improvement to blues (or browns IMO) was adding a soft landing modification. It helped me learn to caress the keys, rather than bang them down until they bottom out like rubber dome keyboards taught me to do.
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