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I think you missed the point. He was illustrating that conventional thinking is wrong. Conventional logic makes things easier for us, but ultimately it's wrong. If you try to look at things in a classical way you miss the bigger picture, you can't expect to understand it.

I don't buy that, science is about increasing understanding not decreasing it.
Also, how would you teach this "new science" to kids? Or do you keep teaching the "wrong science" because it's easier?

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It's possible to explain things without resorting to maths
Except quantum mechanics resulted from the fact that people tried to use classical reasoning to explain things that cannot be understood classically, such as black-body radiation. Quantum mechanics is fundamentally a mathematical theory, but one that describes the subatomic world quite well.
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I don't buy that, science is about increasing understanding not decreasing it.
Also, how would you teach this "new science" to kids? Or do you keep teaching the "wrong science" because it's easier?

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I'm sorry, but no.

Ugh, I bolded the first part, but the entire thing.. no.

Science is about increasing the collective understand. It is not about diluting knowledge so it is easier to grasp. Newtonian physics are still taught because they are derivable by current understanding, and you can teach someone with the algebra and pre-calculus skills the correct math.

The relativistic terms limit is 0 when you are talking about speeds capable on earth, so why not initiate the learning with a simpler and still equivalent equation. Sometimes, there just isn't a way to simplify the process even more, higher end physics requires higher end calculus, they are joined at the hip. If you can not understand the concept, or you can not grasp the jump mathematically, you unfortunately never will. It is not sciences job to "work" in such a way that you can easily grasp or understand.
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I don't buy that, science is about increasing understanding not decreasing it.
Also, how would you teach this "new science" to kids? Or do you keep teaching the "wrong science" because it's easier?

Sorry for the DP, browser at work is dodgy on edits

The breadth and width of knowledge is growing exponentially. Humans are becoming more and more specialized. We still teach the basics rudementary knowledge of many fields but we cannot teach everyone to be an expert.

Classical science is not wrong... it's just a subset or a special case of the larger picture.

i.e. I remember in HS geometry where calculating slopes. Then, in the next year in calculus where we learned the power rule and realized that slope was just a derivative.
6x^2 => 12x


Understand fundamentals, move on to more advance topics.
Understand fundamentals, move on to more advance topics.
Understand fundamentals, move on to more advance topics.
Repeat throughout life.
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One must take into consideration that we could be totally wrong about the physics of quantum physics. We actually probably are. People have such a hard time understanding it because they think (or simply taught) that all scientific theory is absolute, when it is nothing of the sort.
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Ha, reminds me of Enders Game "Ansible" system.
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One must take into consideration that we could be totally wrong about the physics of quantum physics. We actually probably are. People have such a hard time understanding it because they think (or simply taught) that all scientific theory is absolute, when it is nothing of the sort.

If anyone is ever taught that any theory is absolute, their teacher is a bafoon. The fundamentals of science, and definition of theory indicates it is still a work in progress. It is why there are so few "laws" of physics and science which are actually accepted.
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One must take into consideration that we could be totally wrong about the physics of quantum physics. We actually probably are. People have such a hard time understanding it because they think (or simply taught) that all scientific theory is absolute, when it is nothing of the sort.

Total wrong? Odds are extremely slim due the massive massive amount of observations. The theory is incomplete and there are elements that are still unanswered.

Scientific theory is never absolute.... scientists don't think that. In fact, read ANY scientific paper or article.... they always say things like "high probability", "in the most likelyhood", "strong correlation", etc. Scientists rarely make any absolute statements.


i.e. For the Higgs Boson, they are only 99.999% sure (5 sigma).
Edited by DuckieHo - 3/12/13 at 9:50am
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Most kids these days are not taught that though. They rarely question any theory, and simply put it forth as fact to make themselves appear "smarter". If you disagree with any "established theory", you must be religious.
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Total wrong? Odds are extremely slim due the massive massive amount of observations. The theory is incomplete and there are elements that are still unanswered.

Scientific theory is never absolute.... scientists don't think that. In fact, read ANY scientific paper or article.... they always say things like "high probability", "in the most likelyhood", "strong correlation", etc. Scientists rarely make any absolute statements.


i.e. For the Higgs Boson, they are only 99.999% sure (5 sigma).

Yes we can be. If there is no absolution to the theory, there is always the probability that we can even be looking in the wrong direction. Or is quantum physics so simple that we can quantify it from using our limited knowledge of it?
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