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Long answer short. Yes. Per core performance is a fair bit slower than the Intel counterparts and that's what matters when it comes to gaming.
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I play none of those games so thats a relief. What about AC3, FC3, DmC, Tomb Raider, GTA? Are you getting a bottleneck in these games as well?
I so hope that this is not the case. Because then I won't get fair feedbacks and might end up taking the wrong decision.

I do not have a clear understanding of synthetic benchmarks so I am not able to understand if the performance is good or bad. Sorry.



far cry 3 is not a problem for a thuban, not at all, 1080p ultra settings, vsync ON limited to 60 fps








DMC is a joke, no problem always 60 fps

TR the problem is the 670 at least if you play with tressfx ON ,in cutscenes you will have dips. Waiting for a new Nvidia drivers. but playing goes fine

tessellation is OFF, in ON i can't play CTD or hard reset in one or two minutes









I have many CTD so I could not play much more, sorry

I haven't AC3 but as I have understood this very poorly optimized, like GTA, is more a fault of the game than the rig, I think almost everyone has problems with those games.

In GTA yes, you will have bottleneck, but as everyone
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far cry 3 is not a problem for a thuban, not at all, 1080p ultra settings, vsync ON limited to 60 fps








DMC is a joke, no problem always 60 fps

TR the problem is the 670 at least if you play with tressfx ON ,in cutscenes you will have dips. Waiting for a new Nvidia drivers. but playing goes fine

tessellation is OFF, in ON i can't play CTD or hard reset in one or two minutes









I have many CTD so I could not play much more, sorry

I haven't AC3 but as I have understood this very poorly optimized, like GTA, is more a fault of the game than the rig, I think almost everyone has problems with those games.

In GTA yes, you will have bottleneck, but as everyone

Thanks a lot for the images!
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[Long, but important post. Please go through it! Thanks!]

So, as far as this thread has come, I've found two different opinions - one is that the CPU will be a bottleneck, and another is that it will not. Personally I cannot rule out either since both the parties have backed themselves up with benchmarks and/or CPU/GPU usage charts.

From where I stand, I see two options:

i) Get the Titan. Check for bottleneck in the games I play. Then upgrade CPU if and/or when required.
ii) Get a whole new system right away and stop worrying. And it would definitely be Intel based.

(i) is pretty simple. But I have some questions if (ii) is to be considered.

1. 3x70K CPUs are currently the fastest ones as far as I know and will probably be the obvious choice. But they have reached their end of life and will be replaced by Haswell within 3 months. Wouldn't it be wiser to wait and get Haswell since it is supposed to be hell of a lot faster than IB and will last longer than IB too since it is newer?

2. Won't the lower number of cores in the IB CPUs than the AMD ones mean some sort of a downgrade? (Yes, I've read that post in Ironman517's sig, but a real life core vs core data or comparison of actual AMD and Intel CPUs would be more useful to understand). I'm worried about losing number of cores because Crysis 3 has already shown better performance with more cores and the new consoles are all octas (I play a lot of ports).

3. What are my options if I want to get something with more than four cores? (I don't think that SB-E is an option since it costs a hefty amount of money but offers lower per core performance than IB.)

4. Will an IB CPU be a bottleneck to cards that come out two years later? I'd like to avoid my current situation of bottlenecking (if any) if I choose to upgrade CPU now.

5. Is there any chance that Steamroller might be better than 3x70K CPUs?

Questions 1, 2 and 3 are very important to me and I request you to back up your answers with valid reasoning.

I should note that I will not be upgrading for at least about two years if I do it now, so please keep that in mind.


About going OT : Sorry but I really need these questions answered and it would be easier to do it here since all the relevant contents are here already. Thank you for understanding. Please be kind enough not to lock this thread.

Any other suggestion regarding my situation is most welcome and highly appreciated.

Thanks a lot to everyone for your help! I hope that I will be able to reach a reasonable decision through your kind cooperation. smile.gif
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To the guy's that say he will not have or doesn't have a bottle neck your out of your minds. Most of you are running rigs that are bottnecked and don't even know it.
I had a 1090t @4.2 with a GTX 580 Never thought I had any kinda bottle neck until I switch to the Intel 2600k @4.8. All of my graphic benchmarks scores went up a bit. As well as my FPS where much more steady in all games.

The 1090t tho it a great chip for it's time is now starting to show it's age. With the new graphics cards out today the thuban will have a hard time pushing a card to it's full potential and that to me is a bottleneck....
I'm not even talking about the Titan either. That would be a big waste of money with out the right cpu to push it.
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Short answer... YES
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Originally Posted by ahnafakeef View Post

[Long, but important post. Please go through it! Thanks!]

So, as far as this thread has come, I've found two different opinions - one is that the CPU will be a bottleneck, and another is that it will not. Personally I cannot rule out either since both the parties have backed themselves up with benchmarks and/or CPU/GPU usage charts.

From where I stand, I see two options:

i) Get the Titan. Check for bottleneck in the games I play. Then upgrade CPU if and/or when required.
ii) Get a whole new system right away and stop worrying. And it would definitely be Intel based.

(i) is pretty simple. But I have some questions if (ii) is to be considered.

1. 3x70K CPUs are currently the fastest ones as far as I know and will probably be the obvious choice. But they have reached their end of life and will be replaced by Haswell within 3 months. Wouldn't it be wiser to wait and get Haswell since it is supposed to be hell of a lot faster than IB and will last longer than IB too since it is newer?

The ivy bridge 3770K was 10% faster than the sandy bridge 2600k and you can expect the same for haswell to be %10 ish faster than Ivy brigde.
Not a big deal


2. Won't the lower number of cores in the IB CPUs than the AMD ones mean some sort of a downgrade? (Yes, I've read that post in Ironman517's sig, but a real life core vs core data or comparison of actual AMD and Intel CPUs would be more useful to understand). I'm worried about losing number of cores because Crysis 3 has already shown better performance with more cores and the new consoles are all octas (I play a lot of ports).

No The 1090 t is a 6 core chip the 2500k is a 4 core chip The 2500k destroys the 1090t in almost every benckmark. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/146?vs=288 Also the 2500k uses much less power and can overclock much higher as well. With the 2600K it's a 2500k with Hyper threading which mean it spits it core in half so it can handled up to 8 task's at a time. Kinda like turning itself into a 8 core.

3. What are my options if I want to get something with more than four cores? (I don't think that SB-E is an option since it costs a hefty amount of money but offers lower per core performance than IB.)

Personally I would go with the 3770k or something like that,that has hyperthreading and you'll be all set.

4. Will an IB CPU be a bottleneck to cards that come out two years later? I'd like to avoid my current situation of bottlenecking (if any) if I choose to upgrade CPU now.

Really hard to say. I mean if Titan is a look into what is to come than I don't think there is very many chips that will handle what will be coming out lol

5. Is there any chance that Steamroller might be better than 3x70K CPUs?

No IMO
Until AMD makes a chip with a very good single core performance than I would have to say no. That to me is AMD biggest down fall right now.


Questions 1, 2 and 3 are very important to me and I request you to back up your answers with valid reasoning.

I should note that I will not be upgrading for at least about two years if I do it now, so please keep that in mind.

About going OT : Sorry but I really need these questions answered and it would be easier to do it here since all the relevant contents are here already. Thank you for understanding. Please be kind enough not to lock this thread.

Any other suggestion regarding my situation is most welcome and highly appreciated.

Thanks a lot to everyone for your help! I hope that I will be able to reach a reasonable decision through your kind cooperation. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by ahnafakeef View Post

[Long, but important post. Please go through it! Thanks!]

So, as far as this thread has come, I've found two different opinions - one is that the CPU will be a bottleneck, and another is that it will not. Personally I cannot rule out either since both the parties have backed themselves up with benchmarks and/or CPU/GPU usage charts.

From where I stand, I see two options:

i) Get the Titan. Check for bottleneck in the games I play. Then upgrade CPU if and/or when required.
ii) Get a whole new system right away and stop worrying. And it would definitely be Intel based.

(i) is pretty simple. But I have some questions if (ii) is to be considered.

1. 3x70K CPUs are currently the fastest ones as far as I know and will probably be the obvious choice. But they have reached their end of life and will be replaced by Haswell within 3 months. Wouldn't it be wiser to wait and get Haswell since it is supposed to be hell of a lot faster than IB and will last longer than IB too since it is newer?

2. Won't the lower number of cores in the IB CPUs than the AMD ones mean some sort of a downgrade? (Yes, I've read that post in Ironman517's sig, but a real life core vs core data or comparison of actual AMD and Intel CPUs would be more useful to understand). I'm worried about losing number of cores because Crysis 3 has already shown better performance with more cores and the new consoles are all octas (I play a lot of ports).

3. What are my options if I want to get something with more than four cores? (I don't think that SB-E is an option since it costs a hefty amount of money but offers lower per core performance than IB.)

4. Will an IB CPU be a bottleneck to cards that come out two years later? I'd like to avoid my current situation of bottlenecking (if any) if I choose to upgrade CPU now.

5. Is there any chance that Steamroller might be better than 3x70K CPUs?

Questions 1, 2 and 3 are very important to me and I request you to back up your answers with valid reasoning.

I should note that I will not be upgrading for at least about two years if I do it now, so please keep that in mind.


About going OT : Sorry but I really need these questions answered and it would be easier to do it here since all the relevant contents are here already. Thank you for understanding. Please be kind enough not to lock this thread.

Any other suggestion regarding my situation is most welcome and highly appreciated.

Thanks a lot to everyone for your help! I hope that I will be able to reach a reasonable decision through your kind cooperation. smile.gif


let's see, the purchase of the Titan is something decided, right?

On the CPU, first see if you can overclock, if you can buy the titan and try it, depending on the performance you have, you can decide whether to wait for SR or not.

If you can not wait I would buy a 3930, both sockets are all dead, may still leave the IVY-E LGA 2011 but not safe, and the six cores of 39xx are more future-proof. Or at least wait to Haswell and then decide.


And that SR is better than the 37xx is quite likely, seeing as the PD 83xx defend very well in heavily threaded games, that is how they will be more likely, and that AMD expected SR to be 30% to 45% better than PD.



And sorry for my english is not mi native language and i Know i made a lot of errors, I keep learning
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I'd say OC what you have..maybe check into some cooling..

http://www.overclock.net/t/777378/official-gappos-little-deneb-thuban-overclocking-guide-with-too-many-smileys/0_20

I game with a 965BE @ 4.2 Ghz..2800 on the cpu/nb

yes..there's the occasional glitch but..AMD biggrin.gif
Still very good..high 40s on heavy-duty games.
Run everything on high/maxed er..6950 for gpu.
 
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You're over-thinking this. A PII x6 + Titan is simply an extremely unbalanced match, even @ 4.0GhZ. FYI, clock for clock PII is about the same as a Q9550, which is 3 generations old.

Get a 680 instead of a titan, and use the extra $550 to buy a 3770k + motherboard.
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