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Yep, that guy really has no clue what he is talking about.
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That guy almost fooling me biggrin.gif
Sounds like real but fake in the end.
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Yep, that guy really has no clue what he is talking about.

I don't know whether you are too afraid to quote but I'll do what you can't do assuming that you are referring to me here right? Guys who believe and are confident in what they are saying don't normally double talk, they are usually upfront and to the point, ready to accept correction where it is due and hardly use feelings to make technical judgments.

If we are talking about the Haswell vs Ivy construction here, I'd say that your argument isn't valid without hard proof that refutes what I have claimed about die size vs TPD vs overclocks. If you want me to prove to you that this is so, we don't need to go far, lets trying looking at how many Haswells here can make it to 4.5Ghz and what temps they report in this forum.. they are pretty few that do this! Infact 4.5Ghz is pretty troublesome to stabilize at. Lets look at how many ivies that are making it to 4.8Ghz on the suicide overclock chart sheet and what temps they report. It is almost guaranteed that at 4.4-4.5Ghz on Haswell with excellent cooling you will be running into around the same temps at 4.8-4.9Ghz in ivy with the same cooling. I need not go anywhere to tell you that Haswell has a higher heat dissipation for volume than ivy just by looking at their TPD rating and die sizes of 77w vs 84w. Some things are just straight forward (through observing technical data and other's experiences) and need not a genius to decipher them. I can even predict after about an year from Haswell's release intel is going to resort to majority of released Haswells to take up more vcore for less heat production at the compromise of overclocks.

If your statement solely refers to the batch information tied to performance/characteristics then YES... I agree am wrong because I have recently run into some chips that were meant to under-perform according to batch number and performed ironically well..
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If you compare temperatures for non-avx vs non-avx loads on the same volts, haswell isn't much hotter than ivy at all - and also, if you tune OC properly and carefully - which i see very very few people doing, most notably settings like VRIN which can significantly lower the amount of vcore you need - i don't think haswell is worse on average than ivy in terms of clocks vs volts, either, maybe even a bit better 'cause you have more knobs

I've only had experience overclocking 6-7 or so haswell CPU's and a dozen or so ivies (i hang around build forums a lot and help people with some stuff) but i've yet to see a terrible one, three of those 6-7 will do 4.6 below 1.27 vcore with the right secondary settings

I see a lot of high profile people like Anandtech editors, trying to set 1.35 or i think even once more than 1.4 vcore - on 1.65vrin - which is a big no no, not just core to haswell, but haswell 101, and of course i don't expect random overclockers to be more educated or have hundreds of hours to test individual settings, so random sampling on core clock speed vs vcore is pretty meaningless when the other settings are so important for stability, correct operation or even being able to boot in the first place
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my second haswell will do 5ghz @ 1.47v occt stable and 4.9 1.41v clocks better than most 3770k's ive had also 1.96vrin
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I don't know whether you are too afraid to quote but I'll do what you can't do assuming that you are referring to me here right? Guys who believe and are confident in what they are saying don't normally double talk, they are usually upfront and to the point, ready to accept correction where it is due and hardly use feelings to make technical judgments.

If we are talking about the Haswell vs Ivy construction here, I'd say that your argument isn't valid without hard proof that refutes what I have claimed about die size vs TPD vs overclocks. If you want me to prove to you that this is so, we don't need to go far, lets trying looking at how many Haswells here can make it to 4.5Ghz and what temps they report in this forum.. they are pretty few that do this! Infact 4.5Ghz is pretty troublesome to stabilize at. Lets look at how many ivies that are making it to 4.8Ghz on the suicide overclock chart sheet and what temps they report. It is almost guaranteed that at 4.4-4.5Ghz on Haswell with excellent cooling you will be running into around the same temps at 4.8-4.9Ghz in ivy with the same cooling. I need not go anywhere to tell you that Haswell has a higher heat dissipation for volume than ivy just by looking at their TPD rating and die sizes of 77w vs 84w. Some things are just straight forward (through observing technical data and other's experiences) and need not a genius to decipher them. I can even predict after about an year from Haswell's release intel is going to resort to majority of released Haswells to take up more vcore for less heat production at the compromise of overclocks.

If your statement solely refers to the batch information tied to performance/characteristics then YES... I agree am wrong because I have recently run into some chips that were meant to under-perform according to batch number and performed ironically well..

I wasn't referring to you, but the guy who wrote the batch information in the link I quoted
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: List of Intel CPU Batch ??

The guy who wrote the article does not know what he is talking about.

I tried to find a good ivy for quite a while, out of 10 bought ended up with 2 good ones but killed the first, & the second was good but not the perfect chip. Ivy batches can be tough...
I know the temp issues better than most, I love to push the hardware & have gone overboard on the cooling to make it possible. Few have tried stability testing 3770k or 4770k as high as I have.
    
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It is pointless to have instructions in a chip and not have to consider stability tests that also comprehensively and thoroughly test them, am definitely looking at both chips in totality otherwise you are as good as bringing in all other generations which now completely looses the point because when you deem a system stable you have explored all possible events that may lead to instability and countered them extensively and thoroughly.

Am going by what majority are reporting not a single or handful of individuals which I believe is what multiple reviews and coming up with a conclusion is all about. Otherwise one individuals conclusion would be satisfactory which I highly doubt.
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I tried to find a good ivy for quite a while, out of 10 bought ended up with 2 good ones but killed the first, & the second was good but not the perfect chip. Ivy batches can be tough...
I know the temp issues better than most, I love to push the hardware & have gone overboard on the cooling to make it possible. Few have tried stability testing 3770k or 4770k as high as I have.

Am officially quitting the race on the lottery and going straight for one that I can see works rather than go through what you have gone through just to get a good chip. But a sale of my former for a purchase of a better one will be in order.
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It is pointless to have instructions in a chip and not have to consider stability tests that also comprehensively and thoroughly test them, am definitely looking at both chips in totality otherwise you are as good as bringing in all other generations which now completely looses the point because when you deem a system stable you have explored all possible events that may lead to instability and countered them extensively and thoroughly.

Am going by what majority are reporting not a single or handful of individuals which I believe is what multiple reviews and coming up with a conclusion is all about. Otherwise one individuals conclusion would be satisfactory which I highly doubt.

Although I do some stability testing, at the end of the day I don't get cpus to test stability, so some IBT or aida testing for up to an hour or so is about it for me. I don't just set an overclock & let it run there forever though, I often change things a few times daily, so extensive stability testing becomes kinda pointless in my case.
    
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Okay, just a beginning overclock here. I've got a pretty lame board as you'll see in the validate page. The voltage is a bit high as is the temps which get pretty close to 80c. I'm on water with an h80i. Should I get a new board? Or will I not see much as far as Mhz gains? I don't want to waste 150$ if I don't need to.
     
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I don't think the z67x-ud3h is that terrible? Not sure on that board, but the z77x-ud3h and z87x-ud3h are both excellent boards and 1.32 isn't a crazy amount of voltage for you to be limited by VRM's unless the board is pretty trash
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