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Go over to the ASRock motherboard forum and ask those guys how terrible their boards are. All i hear everyday is complaining from MSI or Gigabyte guys about the VRM's. I ran a Pro3 at 4.8Ghz for 6 months with no issues with HALF the VRM's of the extreme 4 and i didnt have any issues. Extreme 4 will max out any ivy chip on air or water and is rock solid.

Those MSI issues are long gone and the Gigabyte VRM issues were an isolated issue with one of their X79 boards. Several of the editors here have played with the newer MSI boards and have nothing bad to say about them. The same is generally true for everyone who has one of the Z77A-GD55 or GD65 boards. In fact, I seem to remember seeing a Z77A-GD55 holding a pretty high record for Ivy Bridge on HWBot. I wouldn't recommend a G43 or G41 board, but their GD boards are solid.

Remember, quality of MOSFETs matter more than number. The Extreme4 uses low quality D-PAK MOSFETs that run hot. It's not a horrible board, but there are much better quality boards for the money. Gigabyte, MSI, and Biostar all sell boards for less than the $135 of the Extreme4 that I would recommend in a heartbeat over it because they use higher quality components.
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I could have sworn i've seen logan doing product review videos on tigerdirect's site years ago.

Same guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYb-htNQM6w
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In fairness, you could get by with that for a while. Less than a year ago, OCN was filled with people giving exactly that type of advice, because of how weak Bulldozer was for what it cost. You could stick an i3 or even a Pentium on a junk Intel motherboard and it would work fine since you couldn't overclock, and it was cheaper and usually faster than a Bulldozer rig.

I think that a single-core Sandy Bridge architecture Celeron G440 @ 1.6GHz + a Biostar H61 mATX motherboard would've been a more popular choice than a Bulldozer rig. Probably had the same single-threaded performance to boot...
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I never said anything about overclocking potential. It's no surprise that overclocking IB is easy and you need a $30 cooler and a $75 motherboard to hit high clocks on it.

I realize this is TT but here's an example of same CPU different motherboard giving different results

http://images.tweaktown.com/content/4/1/4193_33_asus_maximus_iv_gene_z_intel_z68_matx_motherboard_review.png

Notice how Maximus IV Gene -Z is about 13% slower than Maximus IV Extreme? And they are both the same CPU at the same speed?

I don't know how this generation of hardware has managed to completely ignore the fact that there's always been differences in different motherboard configurations. Notice how P67 beat Z68 while Z68 has quicksync and P67 doesn't?

EDIT: more examples of big performance deltas with same CPU

http://images.tweaktown.com/content/4/1/4193_37_asus_maximus_iv_gene_z_intel_z68_matx_motherboard_review.png
Edited by sdlvx - 3/8/13 at 1:09pm
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post #25 of 43
The ASUS p8Z77-i ITX is $180, so while mATX may decently OC, mITX sub $180 doesn't.

Z77 is dead by mid year though...
and to get a decent OC on an AMD FX CPU you need a decent mobo + CPU cooler that can handle 130W+

As far as games go it depends on if it multithreaded: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested/5

Right now is not a good time to buy at all , unless you are getting lowend sub $200 FX-6300/i3-2x00 stuff you are just going to flip on CL/Ebay for even less when Haswell hits.
Edited by AlphaC - 3/8/13 at 1:12pm
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post #26 of 43
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The ASUS p8Z77-i ITX is $180, so while mATX may decently OC, mITX sub $180 doesn't.

Z77 is dead by mid year though...
and to get a decent OC on an AMD FX CPU you need a decent mobo + CPU cooler that can handle 130W+

Right now is not a good time to buy at all , unless you are getting lowend sub $200 FX-6300/i3-2x00 stuff you are just going to flip on CL/Ebay when Haswell hits.

No point in being an early adopter for Haswell when USB3 is broken on it. Restarting every application after it wakes from sleep with USB3 stuff plugged in sounds fun. I'm sure Intel will sweep this under the rug like their Cougar Point issues and the fanboys will not care at all. Who cares if SATA performance degrades over time, I have bigger bars in benchmarks!
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post #27 of 43
I would chose the 8350 over the 2500k and 3570K in most instances when rendering or gaming with a single powerful card.

Of course, if the user plans on overclocking.

My second choice would be the 2500K due to its better overclocking potential on air. Very easy to offset the 180mhz difference in performance SB TO IVY.

Just for gaming, the FX 6300 is 95W and games as well as the 8300 series and overclocks slightly better. At less cost then all of the above.
Edited by Electroneng - 3/8/13 at 1:18pm
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No point in being an early adopter for Haswell when USB3 is broken on it. Restarting every application after it wakes from sleep with USB3 stuff plugged in sounds fun. I'm sure Intel will sweep this under the rug like their Cougar Point issues and the fanboys will not care at all. Who cares if SATA performance degrades over time, I have bigger bars in benchmarks!

Swept under the rug? Those motherboards got recalled and the problem was rectified. Did AMD do the same when Bulldozer came out as an anemically-performing, power-guzzling failure? Didn't think so.
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post #29 of 43
The thing about sandy bridge/ivy bridge chips on low end boards is that they don't need a high end board for normal OCing because the chips don't consume any power at all compared to previous intel designs or current AMD ones. You don't need more than a GB UD3 to reach 7GHz on LN2 for heavens sake, boards like that are more than enough for all daily activities. Only thing you need to consider are the features (and not picking the Asrock extreme4 or 6, those two are horrible).

With the amount of money you have at your disposal I might even consider the 3770K? Best of both worlds. Use ~$320 for the i7, $150 for a mobo and drop the rest on memory or SSDs.
 
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I could have sworn i've seen logan doing product review videos on tigerdirect's site years ago.

Same guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYb-htNQM6w

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