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Poll Results: Will Closed loop Swallow the market and take the lead?

 
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post #61 of 98
Personally, after comparing a H100i and a Phanteks PH-TC14PE side-by-side, I prefer the Phanteks over the CLC. I don't want a non-expandable loop that is going to perform moderately compared to a large heatsink, which will beat the CLC performance-wise. When I upgrade next, I plan on skipping things like the Swiftech H220 and going straight to water cooling; I think that CLCs are good for the low-end users, but aren't meant for those serious about performance or overclocking. Of all my friends who have Corsair CLCs (double rads), none of them go over 4.0gHz on their CPUs, which are all Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge i5s and i7s. I have hit 4.9gHz before on my 3770k with my Phanteks and was idling at 31 degrees C, maxing at 73 under IntelBurnTest. I haven't seen these results from the Corsair CLCs, and I don't think we ever will.
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post #62 of 98
No, CLCs won't surpass air coolers.

They are way too expensive and complex for that to happen.
   
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post #63 of 98
I think so. good cpu coolers require too much space. in a tight enclosure, CLC's should dominate. also, if you live in a hot area like I do (it's already 85 degrees Fahrenheit over here, average 105 summers), CLC is a no brainer vs air.
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post #64 of 98
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Maybe because what is actually doing the cooling is fresh air flowing over the radiator.

Only thing cooling the water even in a situation where it freely flows to a lake is air/ground. After that you can argue that the air is only cooled because there's space around the earth so of course the cooling methods can't even be called air cooling because the air is also cooled by something else.

Water cooling just refers to a system water is the primary means of heat transfer from the part being cooled.

Even my phase change system has big radiator and fans. That does not mean that my CPU is air cooled, it means my phase change system is air cooled while my CPU is phase change cooled.
 
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Water cooling just refers to a system water is the primary means of heat transfer from the part being cooled.

Even my phase change system has big radiator and fans. That does not mean that my CPU is air cooled, it means my phase change system is air cooled while my CPU is phase change cooled.

Ah the good old point of view discussion...

Yeah, as Alatar said we refer to the cooling system by the medium we are using to remove heat from the source, not the ultimate medium where heat is dumped (it is always air, or if you wish to go further, it is radiated into the universe, thus we are using Space cooling, xD)
   
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post #66 of 98
And as I said, with water cooling:

The CPU/GPU is water cooled
The watercooling loop is air cooled.
 
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The water cooling systems have a solid advantage in ease of use and a smaller size that makes it easier to work around inside the PC. Additionally they offer a cooling advantage outside the pure cooling of the CPU aspect in that they actually remove the heat of the CPU from the case and not just push it off the CPU into the case.

The disadvantage they have right now is cost. They are just as expensive as larger air coolers and do not deliver as good of CPU cooling as some. I do not thin air coolers are dead but I do think the AIO units are here to stay.
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Except he is right. Water is just the medium for transferring the heat, the air passing over the radiator is what is dissipating the heat away from the system. The water itself isn't cooling anything, it's just transferring it from one spot to another.

True enough, but it's pointless to argue, and is way OT. The whole thing reminds me of guys in school grinning and arguing just to be right, even though their point is worthless.
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Is there really a point in arguing semantics? The term "water cooled" has been used for over a 100 years to describe a system where the water transfers the heat form the source to a heat exchanger that in this case is a radiator that transfers the heat form the water to the air.

You can argue about how correct it is to call this method "water cooling" but that's what it its officially called.

This.

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Semantics are the dying breaths of the wrong.

There is a point in arguing when you're the one who is wrong but thinks you're right. The term has been used incorrectly for over 100 years (a little arbitrary?) by people who don't know what they're talking about.

Again, you are headed down the path to a pointless argument. We call many things by names that aren't true, so why contest just this one so hotly?

Nickels aren't made of nickel, cold air intakes take in ambient air, not cold air, and a blue moon isn't really blue at all. I'm so smart. See what I did there? I could do that all day, but I would only be wasting my time.
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Only thing cooling the water even in a situation where it freely flows to a lake is air/ground. After that you can argue that the air is only cooled because there's space around the earth so of course the cooling methods can't even be called air cooling because the air is also cooled by something else.

Water cooling just refers to a system water is the primary means of heat transfer from the part being cooled.

Even my phase change system has big radiator and fans. That does not mean that my CPU is air cooled, it means my phase change system is air cooled while my CPU is phase change cooled.

Wrong, water cooling is the use of fresh water to cool something, not water in a loop that winds up being cooled by a radiator. You can't just compare some small man-made system to the entire world and claim that everything is really in one giant loop.

Phase change cooling is cooling something by a liquid evaporating to a gas and compressing that gas back to liquid. What you are cooling with that radiator is the phase change, not the heat transferred from what you are cooling.
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True enough, but it's pointless to argue, and is way OT. The whole thing reminds me of guys in school grinning and arguing just to be right, even though their point is worthless.
This.
Again, you are headed down the path to a pointless argument. We call many things by names that aren't true, so why contest just this one so hotly?

Nickels aren't made of nickel, cold air intakes take in ambient air, not cold air, and a blue moon isn't really blue at all. I'm so smart. See what I did there? I could do that all day, but I would only be wasting my time.

Nickels are made of nickel. A 25% nickel alloy with the balance being copper.

It's amazing how people are grasping at other misnamed things to justify that their misnamed thing is correctly named. Get over the fact that you're all wrong and just call it "water cooling" out of laziness.
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Wrong, water cooling is the use of fresh water to cool something, not water in a loop that winds up being cooled by a radiator. You can't just compare some small man-made system to the entire world and claim that everything is really in one giant loop.

Why does it matter what the water itself is being cooled by? In the end you do have to cool it with something, most of the time the thing cooling it is air. All a radiator does is make the process faster so you don't need huge amounts of water.

And I can do exactly that because there is no clear cut point where you can say "this is watercooling and this is not". You're always going to have the same questions about the amount of water used, how it's being cooled etc. What if I had a big bucket standing outside? How about geothermal loops? Drawing water from a pool? A passive radiator watercooling system? Chilled water loops?
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Phase change cooling is cooling something by a liquid evaporating to a gas and compressing that gas back to liquid. What you are cooling with that radiator is the phase change, not the heat transferred from what you are cooling.

If the heat transferred from the CPU doesn't get transferred to air then I'd like to know what kind of black magic this system is made of. Yes the radiator is cooling coolant and the air going through it (radiator) is also cooling the entire phase change system.

Phase change process cools the CPU via the IHS of the chip and the evaporator's copper base, the coolant is cooled by air in the radiator etc.
 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
[i7 5960X @ 4.8GHz] [Rampage V Extreme] [Titan 1400MHz (1500MHz bench)] [Various] 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
[250GB 840EVO +2x SpinpointF3 1TB RAID0] [LD PC-V2 SS Phase Change] [XSPC X2O 750 pump/res] [Monsta 360 full copper + EK XT 360 + XT 240] 
MonitorPowerCaseAudio
[Crossover 27Q LED-P 1440p+ASUS 1200p+LG 1080p] [Corsair AX1200] [Dimastech Easy v3.0] [Sennheiser HD558s] 
CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
FX 8320, FX 8350, Phenom II x2 555BE i7 3930K, i7 860, i7 4770K, 68x Celeron D CVF, commando, 2x RIVE, Z87X-OC Asus 4870x2, Sapphire 4870 
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2x 5870, 5850, 5830, 5770 2x 3870x2, 3870 GTX Titan, GTX 480, GTX 590 GTX 285, GTX 260, 4x 9800GT, 8800GTX 
RAMHard DriveCoolingCooling
4x4GB vengeance, 2x4GB predatorX, 2x1GB OCZ DDR2 Intel X25-M 80GB LD PC-V2 SS Phase Change OCN Marksman 
CoolingCoolingOSPower
2x old tek slims (GPU) Various watercooling stuff win7, winxp AX1200 
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test bench / cardboard box 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
[i7 5960X @ 4.8GHz] [Rampage V Extreme] [Titan 1400MHz (1500MHz bench)] [Various] 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
[250GB 840EVO +2x SpinpointF3 1TB RAID0] [LD PC-V2 SS Phase Change] [XSPC X2O 750 pump/res] [Monsta 360 full copper + EK XT 360 + XT 240] 
MonitorPowerCaseAudio
[Crossover 27Q LED-P 1440p+ASUS 1200p+LG 1080p] [Corsair AX1200] [Dimastech Easy v3.0] [Sennheiser HD558s] 
CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
FX 8320, FX 8350, Phenom II x2 555BE i7 3930K, i7 860, i7 4770K, 68x Celeron D CVF, commando, 2x RIVE, Z87X-OC Asus 4870x2, Sapphire 4870 
GraphicsGraphicsGraphicsGraphics
2x 5870, 5850, 5830, 5770 2x 3870x2, 3870 GTX Titan, GTX 480, GTX 590 GTX 285, GTX 260, 4x 9800GT, 8800GTX 
RAMHard DriveCoolingCooling
4x4GB vengeance, 2x4GB predatorX, 2x1GB OCZ DDR2 Intel X25-M 80GB LD PC-V2 SS Phase Change OCN Marksman 
CoolingCoolingOSPower
2x old tek slims (GPU) Various watercooling stuff win7, winxp AX1200 
Case
test bench / cardboard box 
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