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Poll Results: Will Closed loop Swallow the market and take the lead?

 
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post #81 of 98
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Originally Posted by Bit_reaper View Post

There are many people that feel this way but don't seam to take into consideration the risks that AIO's have. There has been a number of recorded incidents where AIO's have leaked even in the relatively short time frame that AIO's have been on the market. On the other hand +1Kg air coolers have been around for years and still the number of cases where the cooler has damaged the motherboard are extremely rare and when they do happen its almost always due to very rough handling during transport (like the UPS guy trowing the PC package in to the truck ect.)

Irrelevant. That's what warranties are for, and let's hold up a minute here.........
We're on Overclock.net people. rolleyes.gif
We ALL do things to our systems that risk daily destruction if even a simple thing goes wrong.
Go look at any one of the high-end custom loop systems, and tell me they aren't taking $10,000 worth of parts and hundreds of hours into their own hands every time they run their system up.
Yes, that's what leak tests are for, but does everyone think we don't test AIOs?
When my Swiftech H220 comes in, I'm going to disassemble it, replace the hoses and the fluid, and leak test it again, and only then will I run my system.

So again I say, irrelevant. The UPS guy can throw anything he wants, and it *might* break, but am I going to sweat that possibility until it actually occurs? Nope.

MY concern may be my own, but it just that; my own concern! biggrin.gif

To answer the original question / poll: NO. I believe there will always be a place for air, AIO, and custom in this industry.

Thanks - T
Edited by Thrasher1016 - 3/14/13 at 6:41am
post #82 of 98
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Originally Posted by dealio View Post

this thread has gone full rtard with the silly semantics discussion. excuse me while i go drive my car on the parkway and then park it on my driveway

air coolers will never go away. all else being +/- equal, simplicity always wins.

HOLD UP.
You mean I can't drink from this plastic glass anymore?
Dixie is gonna go out of business... rolleyes.gif

Thanks - T
post #83 of 98
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Irrelevant. That's what warranties are for, and let's hold up a minute here.........
We're on Overclock.net people. rolleyes.gif
We ALL do things to our systems that risk daily destruction if even a simple thing goes wrong.
Go look at any one of the high-end custom loop systems, and tell me they aren't taking $10,000 worth of parts and hundreds of hours into their own hands every time they run their system up.
Yes, that's what leak tests are for, but does everyone think we don't test AIOs?
When my Swiftech H220 comes in, I'm going to disassemble it, replace the hoses and the fluid, and leak test it again, and only then will I run my system.

So again I say, irrelevant. The UPS guy can throw anything he wants, and it might* break
MY concern may be my own, but it just that; my own concern.

To answer the original question / poll: NO. I believe there will always be a place for air, AIO, and custom in this industry.

Thanks - T

Its not irrelevant. Not all manifactures cover all possible damages done and what do you do after the warranty period runs out? Throw the cooler in the trash can and buy an new one? That's not even mentioning all the extra trouble one has to go through even when the warranty delivers on its promise.

Yes some of us here on OCN do put our systems under risk. Yes some of us do run custom loops that hold even greater risk then AIO's. We know and accept that risk. All that is beside the point. The point was that the argument about AIO's been safer due them not putting strain on the motherboard has a flaw as the AIO's introduce another kind of risk making them possibly even less safe then your average High end air cooler.
    
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There are many people that feel this way but don't seam to take into consideration the risks that AIO's have. There has been a number of recorded incidents where AIO's have leaked even in the relatively short time frame that AIO's have been on the market. On the other hand +1Kg air coolers have been around for years and still the number of cases where the cooler has damaged the motherboard are extremely rare and when they do happen its almost always due to very rough handling during transport (like the UPS guy trowing the PC package in to the truck ect.)

A technology has to start somewhere. It's early days for CLCs. They will get better. Risk is relative, since I water cool my rig sure, poping a tube and blowing up your rig is scary. And there actually are ways to mitigate the consequence of such an event (liquid electrical tape, ala LN2 overclocking). Without a doubt, the most efficient way is to cool directly from the HS to air. For some, maybe irrational reason, I also have this "worry" about 2.4 pounds of metal hanging there. The issue with clc loop efficiency is really related to the small volume of coolant. A custom loop with a 240 rad does waaay better for this reason.
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post #85 of 98
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Its not irrelevant. Not all manifactures cover all possible damages done and what do you do after the warranty period runs out? Throw the cooler in the trash can and buy an new one? That's not even mentioning all the extra trouble one has to go through even when the warranty delivers on its promise.

Yes some of us here on OCN do put our systems under risk. Yes some of us do run custom loops that hold even greater risk then AIO's. We know and accept that risk. All that is beside the point. The point was that the argument about AIO's been safer due them not putting strain on the motherboard has a flaw as the AIO's introduce another kind of risk making them possibly even less safe then your average High end air cooler.

Actually... you don't really want to know my personal and family policy on anything with a warranty... it would, quite frankly, shock you. thumb.gif

On personal examples ONLY, I have had large air coolers sag, which is unacceptable to me.
I have had graphics cards sag, which is also unacceptable. (Different argument, same idea...)

Solutions?

Buy AIOs for coolers, and buy cases with horizontal motherboard orientations.
I have done both.
As for the AIO reliability, I have never had a failure, so in my case, for equipment meeting my needs and performing to my EXACT criteria:

Large form air coolers = 0
AIOs = 1

AIOs win in my case, because as I said, I haven't had a failure wherein I can say, "Look, this creates a data point against this type of device for my usage."

Simple as that, and for MY EXAMPLE and statement, makes perfect sense.

Thanks - T
post #86 of 98
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Wrong, water cooling is the use of fresh water to cool something, not water in a loop that winds up being cooled by a radiator. You can't just compare some small man-made system to the entire world and claim that everything is really in one giant loop.

Phase change cooling is cooling something by a liquid evaporating to a gas and compressing that gas back to liquid. What you are cooling with that radiator is the phase change, not the heat transferred from what you are cooling.
Nickels are made of nickel. A 25% nickel alloy with the balance being copper.

It's amazing how people are grasping at other misnamed things to justify that their misnamed thing is correctly named. Get over the fact that you're all wrong and just call it "water cooling" out of laziness.

A 25% strike doesn't constitute "made of". It contains it, but it isn't made of nickel. My RAM has coper pins on it, but that doesn't mean it's made of coper. Continue your circular arguments all you wsh.

It's amazing how people are grasping to the idea that their view of terminalogy is right in any situation.

To get more to the topic, water cooling is named so based on the use of water as the main feature of the system. Saying water cooling doesn't mean that the water itself is doing the cooling, but rather that the key feature of the cooling system itself is water.

With a tiny bit of research, you'll see that you are in fact the one that is wrong, anyway. From Wikipedia:
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Water cooling is a method of heat removal from components and industrial equipment. As opposed to air cooling, water is used as the heat conductor. Water cooling is commonly used for cooling automobile internal combustion engines and large industrial facilities such as steam electric power plants, hydroelectric generators, petroleum refineries and chemical plants.[1] Other uses include cooling the barrels of machine guns, cooling of lubricant oil in pumps; for cooling purposes in heat exchangers; cooling products from tanks or columns, and recently, cooling of various major components inside high-end personal computers. The main mechanism for water cooling is convective heat transfer.
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post #87 of 98
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There are many people that feel this way but don't seam to take into consideration the risks that AIO's have. There has been a number of recorded incidents where AIO's have leaked even in the relatively short time frame that AIO's have been on the market. On the other hand +1Kg air coolers have been around for years and still the number of cases where the cooler has damaged the motherboard are extremely rare and when they do happen its almost always due to very rough handling during transport (like the UPS guy trowing the PC package in to the truck ect.)

I think most people do take this into consideration before making the jump to AIO CLC coolers. I know I did. But that was nearly 4 years ago and I've had nothing but good experiences. After building probably a dozen systems using AIO CLC coolers, I admit I do worry about it much less.
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Come on yall there was a good discussion going on. Chill out and lets keep it going!

As a new owner of a CLC (Antec Khuler 620) I had to say my main reason for choosing that over a standard air cooler for my current (and first build) was a combination of space and aesthetic. I'm fully aware that a good air cooler can match the Khuler and at a cheaper price point, but something about the way it looks in a rig sold me. In terms of space, I figured that with a HS, it would take up more space and in case something ever happened one of my components like my RAM, I'd have to be quite selective as to what I wanted to buy. As for whether CLC will become the new norm? Doubt it. Like others have said, the idea of water in electronics scare people to death--hell a couple of years ago I didn't really buy into it. However, once the technology gets better and the risk starts to become little to non-existent, I think it will become a viable mainstream option for manufacturers, but not a standard.
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Wow guys. you did take that seriously. when i made this topic i did intend to raise questions. comparisons, durability issue as well as personal preferences. i didn't want it to turn to war between mature 3 years members on the forum.

Chill out my friends it's an open discussion.. we all know the risk of what we do to our computers and we either take it or leave it.

Have fun friends.. and stop fighting.thumb.gif
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I don't see any war haha, just a discussion tongue.gif
 
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