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Never did claim that the 680 didn't boost higher than 1006MHz, or higher than 1058MHz for that matter. To do that would have been absurd.

Ok I get you.



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They didn't leave the Titans @ stock, that's the point. They should have let it run without doing anything to it, hence stock.

No one did a review for the 680 when it came out without the boost function. But here, they removed it for no reason.

I would have rather them leave the titans at stock as well.

However the 7970 they tested were at stock as sent from the factory. Which cost around $200 more than regular 7970.
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Because the ghz edition is an overclocked 7970?

How difficult is it for people to get what comparing of stock cards is? Think reference design. No overclocking, no overvolting, no undervolting, just what the reference cards are out of the box. Why would someone complain about benches between the 7870 at stock against the 680 at stock? Makes no sense. "Oh let me overclock this card by 30% with better cooling and and leave the other at reference design." This seems logical.



Run benches of a reference Titan and a reference 7970, THEN you can add overclocked results as well. Otherwise it is meaningless to overclock one card a ton and actually reduce the clocks on the other.
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Because the ghz edition is an overclocked 7970?

How difficult is it for people to get what comparing of stock cards is? Think reference design. No overclocking, no overvolting, no undervolting, just what the reference cards are out of the box. Why would someone complain about benches between the 7870 at stock against the 680 at stock? Makes no sense. "Oh let me overclock this card by 30% with better cooling and and leave the other at reference design." This seems logical.



Run benches of a reference Titan and a reference 7970, THEN you can add overclocked results as well. Otherwise it is meaningless to overclock one card a ton and actually reduce the clocks on the other.

I am not sure what you are getting at. confused.gif

The 7970 were at stock, they came from the factory at that clock. Which is perfectly fair.

But... I understand all of you.

However my point is at $1000 a 7970 should not even be close to the performance of titan.
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They didn't leave the Titans @ stock, that's the point. They should have let it run without doing anything to it, hence stock.

No one did a review for the 680 when it came out without the boost function. But here, they removed it for no reason.

there is a chance, a small one that if they left the cards at stock they would throttle and ruin the overall score, maybe by locking it at stock BASE frequencies they stopped the cards from thermally throttling to keep an overall even score instead of an overall uneven average.
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Ok I get you.
I would have rather them leave the titans at stock as well.

However the 7970 they tested were at stock as sent from the factory. Which cost around $200 more than regular 7970.

I am not sure what you are getting at. confused.gif

The 7970 were at stock, they came from the factory at that clock. Which is perfectly fair.

But... I understand all of you.

However my point is at $1000 a 7970 should not even be close to the performance of titan.

In Valley @ Extreme HD, my two stock 7970s (1060MHz since they don't allow oc'ing) score 79FPS. One Titan oc'ed beats it.
I wouldn't call that close....would you?
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Ok I get you.
I would have rather them leave the titans at stock as well.

However the 7970 they tested were at stock as sent from the factory. Which cost around $200 more than regular 7970.

I am not sure what you are getting at. confused.gif

The 7970 were at stock, they came from the factory at that clock. Which is perfectly fair.

But... I understand all of you.

However my point is at $1000 a 7970 should not even be close to the performance of titan.

The point is reference designs. It's like the Ares II or Mars III. Sure, they came stock from the factory like that, doesn't mean it translates to every other card that is their counterpart, which essentially makes the benchmarks useless. When those 7970's are also beefed up cards that cost $700 a piece, and only perform slightly better than an underclocked card, then all I'm seeing is a similar price to performance ratio. Especially once overclocking is done (which is something AMD users always seem to bring up, "7970 is faster after overclocked!!1") since the 7970 CAN'T be overclocked any further.

Comparing a reduce Titan with an increased 7970, who are nearly the same price, and then not overclocking the second card just makes for a poor and extremely biased review.



Not saying the Titan is a decent card for the price, because it's way too expensive, but they really needed to either use a regular 7970 and OC it themselves, or overclock the Titan as well.
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In Valley @ Extreme HD, my two stock 7970s (1060MHz since they don't allow oc'ing) score 79FPS. One Titan oc'ed beats it.
I wouldn't call that close....would you?

Show it to me in a review.

It is possible. I am pretty sure your 7970s didn't cost $1000.

How about in games?

I see something got you really scared in the last couple posts. rolleyes.gif
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Show it to me in a review.

It is possible. I am pretty sure your 7970s didn't cost $1000.

How about in games?

I see something got you really scared in the last couple posts. rolleyes.gif

my 2 7970s were 1300 after taxes and shipping on january 9th 2012...


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much ado about a silly review ... I hope for them that they paid well to publish this crap biggrin.gif
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For anyone wanting to see a single titan vs a 6Gb 7970.
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/nvidia_geforce_gtx_titan_gaming/7.htm
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my 2 7970s were 1300 after taxes and shipping on january 9th 2012...

About your last post about 1 titan beating your dual 7970 good joke.

An overclocked titan still isn't far from a overclocked single 7970 in the link above.
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However my point is at $1000 a 7970 should not even be close to the performance of titan.

Your point can be applied to the discreet gpu industry in general.

A 7950 should not be as close to the 7970 as it is for less money.

A 7870 should not be as close to the 7950 as it is for less money.

Same thing applies to the Nvidia 600 series.

Bottom line is this. The higher you go on the GPU scale, the less of a return on your investment there is. And it applies to both GPU makers.
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