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Originally Posted by tsm106 View Post

I did put a Titan in my parts list for the Ultimate itx rig, but I highly doubt that is their sole target. Well healed enthusiast who can afford to drop a few grand on parts are not running itx setups as a main rig. Itx is what I'd use as a second, third, or fourth rig and for specific uses.


The OCN SFF forum have a 4 year old, 6K page thread of people running beasty Mini-ITX rigs, some as their main gaming rig. Still, it is silly to focus the marketing of your halo product on the Mini-ITX platform.

I'll never be able to talk myself into buying a Titan, but that's got nothing to do with this benchmark or this thread. Ofc it is much more fun to cycle the wagon on Titan's putrid price/performance and not talk about what this benchmark really exposed: the abysmal SLI scaling.
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Glad you realized it. Pretty much every card all the way down to the 6670 makes the higher end cards look like crap when it comes to price/performance.

People do not buy GPUs and say "I want the absolute best price/performance". They buy GPUs buy either saying "I have X dollars and I want the best card for that" or by saying "I want card X".

Which is why I find the price/performance argument hilarious when comparing cards in completely different price ranges.

I edited my post.... wink.gif

You do have a point though, but ~$200 difference is not the same as ~$500 difference.

The ratio is almost even though.
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I will have to say i agree with you.

Nice manipulation of the argument though.

We aren't discussing amd vs amd or mid range cards. We are talking about two high end and one costing 60% of the other with ~30% performance increase.

I sure can't oc my 7870 to match a 7970 or come close to it,,,,

Can't say the same for titan vs 7970.

No need to justify your $2000 purchase/ If you are happy that's what counts.

That's funny, I've been doing a week benches of my 7970 ghz vs my Titan and I've yet to find one where my 7970 @ 1285mhz comes close to it.

By the way, it's a $1k purchase and if you think I need to justify it to anyone here, you couldn't be more wrong.
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I don't see how it's nonsense when two 7970's can out perform one Titan for nearly half the price. What group is it marketed at? Those with more money than sense?

Cost of the card is always important. Especially when there's other, cheaper, options.

Cost of the card is not always important sorry to say.

And Titan was an easy decision to make over getting a second 7970 for xfire. If you think it's solely about fps, you couldn't be more wrong.
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Just for the record, I am not bad mouthing anyone for buying titan.

I am bad mouthing Nvidia for the horrible price and the performance it offers. Which should not affect anyone.

That has been duly noted.

It's nice to debate with someone that doesn't revert to name calling when someone disagrees with them unlike way too many on OCN.
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That's funny, I've been doing a week benches of my 7970 ghz vs my Titan and I've yet to find one where my 7970 @ 1285mhz comes close to it.

By the way, it's a $1k purchase and if you think I need to justify it to anyone here, you couldn't be more wrong.

Cool story bro, cause techpower says otherwise.

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Glad you realized it. Pretty much every card all the way down to the 6670 makes the higher end cards look like crap when it comes to price/performance.

People do not buy GPUs and say "I want the absolute best price/performance". They buy GPUs buy either saying "I have X dollars and I want the best card for that" or by saying "I want card X".

Which is why I find the price/performance argument hilarious when comparing cards in completely different price ranges.

while i agree with you on that point, i find the HD 7870 LE to be a bit of a special case. it retails for ~260$ and with a good overclock could achieve 7970 (non Ghz) performance levels so i find it the best price/performance buy to most peeps with less than 300$ budget for GPU's. (too bad there isn't a MSI HAWK or another special manufacturer edition of the HD 7870 LE card since only a few limited reference designs are available)
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while i agree with you on that point, i find the HD 7870 LE to be a bit of a special case. it retails for ~260$ and with a good overclock could achieve 7970 (non Ghz) performance levels so i find it the best price/performance buy to most peeps with less than 300$ budget for GPU's. (too bad there isn't a MSI HAWK or another special manufacturer edition of the HD 7870 LE card since only a few limited reference designs are available)

Not unprecedented though, the 7870 LE( uses 3/4 of a Tahiti chip with 3/4 the Membs) is just like the 560Ti 448 (88% of the GF110 chip with 84% of the Membus) which is also a good price/performance card(could get very close to stock 580 with good OC) with a power consumption draw back.
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"I want card X".

I thought I did, I took them out now after seeing this review and Im just using one as a mouse bungee and the other as a coffee cup coaster. I'm gonna wait for the GTX 1330 LE for better price/performance.
 
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The thing that's interesting is not how fast it is, it's how it compares to current cards namely the 7970s. This is where Titan does not deliver, although imo it's more indicative of Nvidia's shortcomings when it comes to SLI scaling. We saw how the slower 6970s and 6950s were able to out scale their 580 counterparts, and often times matching the more expensive offering.


For kicks, look at the Heaven 4.0 Bench thread. Look at that scaling. Titan on paper or with all the hype should best the quad 7970s by double, but it doesn't... There are differences here and there obviously, nothing is perfect in a 1 to 1 scenario, but as of today it is what it is.

What SLI scaling are you talking about?. The ones with AMD 7970 CF and the 5-10 pixels (approx) of rendered rows called a full frame??? Only about 1/3rd of OCN has seen the recent results of some new investigations showing that AMD cards are doing some funky math here regarding what is considered a rendered "frame" regarding what is actually coming out the VGA/DVI ports.

Search for "Frame Rating" here on OCN...you'll find it. I wish it was cut and dry but it's not.
Another source is PCPer who started the discreet tests http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Frame-Rating-Part-3-First-Results-New-GPU-Performance-Tools
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