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i agree that arguing about Titan pricing is not of any use. Nvidia has set the price it wants and it feels confident of selling at. the lack of competition is what allows a company to dictate pricing. You see the CPU market where Intel comfortably sells the 6 core processors at USD 1000. though they do give a USD 500 sku. Nvidia has the tech. now howabout they give a product which is affordable to a larger audience. A 2496 CC gpu with 3GB framebuffer and only 1/24 DP for USD 700. that would be something nice. i think nvidia will do that sometime this year. thumb.gif
Bad idea imo

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That would be a slap to the face of people who bought the $1K titan for gaming as the one you described would be well within 10% of it's performance for $300 less and it would be only 20-25% faster than a 7970GE for $300 more or something around that ballpark.

Then where does that leave the GTX780? which performance slot could it be in without upsetting the Titan owners who paid 1K for their GPU and the 2496 CC owners who paid $700 for their GPU?

Still leaves an interesting discussion for where exactly the GTX 780 is going to go now that the Titan is out. It needs to be faster than the 7970GE by more than 10% yet slower than the GTX Titan and still over clock as well as the GTX680 or better (or users will complain Nvidia gimped it to make the Titan look good).

From the way things look, it seems like the GTX780 can be within stock Titan performance with a decent OC for $450-$500 less.
Edited by th3illusiveman - 3/11/13 at 3:46am
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^ Na, its going to happen at some point. They're going to release a cut down version of GK110 or a GK110 derivative at some point. I don't expect Titan to hold its price for all that long.
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But that's the thing, all I see here is people saying that cheaper GPUs have better price/performance. Same goes cards cheaper than the 7970 or 680. What would a 7970 owner think if a 7850 owner said his card is overprice and only fools would buy one. He'd probably be amused because he has the faster card even though the 7850 owner is right in this case.

Now after a few times that might be amusing, but when you have 350 pages of it in only a couple of threads, it starts to get annoying. If most people on OCN bought 7870s and 7850, the 7970GHz review thread would only have been about poor price/performance.

Exactly, I didn't see people reccomending GTX560 ti over GTX580 very often despite the price to performance ratio being very similar. Same thing with 6850 and 6970.

As always having a big fast single gpu is nice. It performs very consistently.
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I don't think nvidia can afford to put limitations on 780 performance due to Titan. AMD certainly won't hold back with its "8970".If nvidia doesn't want to go up against this card (that will offer performance much nearer to Titan than 7970) with a similarly priced albeit signficantly weaker 780 ,it will ignore any limitation set by Titan. Not to mention that a 790 at a similar price bracket will be so far ahead Titan that will make it almost obsolete. Nvidia will most likely stop selling the Titan unless both 780 and 8970 launch above 700 a piece.
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it's bogus cause you said so?
Please.... its just as valid as any other review.

Method of testing was stated and reasoning behind the decision.

Single titan hit 80c under load. How much would 2x Titan hit? Then throttling set in.

It's as valid as downclocking 7970s and them pitting them against heavily overclocked 680s.

The results might be valid but they do not represent any real world scenario so they're pointless to take into account when comparing the two cards for real world usage.

Yes the review clearly shows that two 867MHz titans barely beat 1200MHz 6GB 7970s.
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Titan is still overprice for the little performance you gain from it....

First of all, lol @ "my paycheck is bigger than your paycheck".

And the difference between a titan and a 7970GHz edition is as big as the difference between a 7970 and a GTX 580. Percentage wise that is, if we look at the fps the difference is bigger obviously. I wouldn't call that small but I guess we always have people who are expecting a 200% performance increase from a new GPU gen.
 
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pffft you guys arn't hardcore, I go without food so I can buy comp gear tongue.gif
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It's as valid as downclocking 7970s and them pitting them against heavily overclocked 680s.

The results might be valid but they do not represent any real world scenario so they're pointless to take into account when comparing the two cards for real world usage.

Yes the review clearly shows that two 867MHz titans barely beat 1200MHz 6GB 7970s.
First of all, lol @ "my paycheck is bigger than your paycheck".

And the difference between a titan and a 7970GHz edition is as big as the difference between a 7970 and a GTX 580. Percentage wise that is, if we look at the fps the difference is bigger obviously. I wouldn't call that small but I guess we always have people who are expecting a 200% performance increase from a new GPU gen.

I called it small performance gain because I can beat it with crossfire with $300.00 to spare...now, if you want to sli your titan to beat cf (which lost to a review) then feel free to make another 1k purchase....lol
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I call it small performance gain because I can beat it with crossfire with $300.00 to spare...now, if you want to sli your titan to beat cf (which lost to a review) then feel free to make another 1k purchase....lol

That's how it always is tho. Take last gen for example, 560Ti SLI was around the same price as a single 580, they beat the single card handily. 6850 crossfire easily beat a single 6970 and so on.

It's nothing we haven't seen before.
 
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I called it small performance gain because I can beat it with crossfire with $300.00 to spare...now, if you want to sli your titan to beat cf (which lost to a review) then feel free to make another 1k purchase....lol

What makes people question this review is the fact the titan is locked down, and it differs from any other review out there...




Hexus didn't have BF3 so here is Crysis 3 instead



Even in the original review in the OP, BF and Dirt were the only one that showed the 7970's OC'd ahead of locked down Titans, clicked the other games by any chance?

But yeah, take one non representative graphic to make your point.

Hell, I own a 7970 and I love it, and I think the Titan is too expensive for me, but that doesn't blind me to the fact that it is a beast of a GPU, the best single GPU card out there.
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That's how it always is tho. Take last gen for example, 560Ti SLI was around the same price as a single 580, they beat the single card handily. 6850 crossfire easily beat a single 6970 and so on.

It's nothing we haven't seen before.

To be fair, it is on a scale we haven't seen before... typically, the scenario is that the high end GPU is $400-600 and it gets beaten by a pair of midrange $200-300 cards. Now, we've got a case where a $1000 GPU card is beaten by a pair of $400-450 cards.

There's also the issue of how long the Titan's value will last. It's very reasonable to assume that next gen cards, whenever they may come out, will be around the Titan's performance for half the price. Again - nothing we haven't really seen before (the GTX 580 dropped down to the ~$300 mark after the next gen released) but the whole thing is scaled up (you "lose" $500 rather than $200).

I've toyed with the idea of upgrading from 2x7970 to 2xTitan but that $2k price tag is just too steep, even though I can afford it. I can't stomach the idea that I'm throwing away $1000 since it's likely that in a year I could get 2 780s or 2 8970s or whatever and get 2xTitan performance for around the price of 1xTitan.
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What makes people question this review is the fact the titan is locked down, and it differs from any other review out there...





When it comes to a single GPU raw performance (not talking about dual cards or price) I don't think anyone in their right mind can argue against Titan. But your first bench sort of agrees that Titan SLi scaling isn't what it should be. Not to mention that it makes the ridiculously expensive ARES seem a bargain in comparison/
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