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But it would use an incredible amount of more power so that most people wouldn't buy just because of energy issues.

True, but the 480 sold pretty well if I recall wink.gif Besides most people buying $500+ videocards shouldn't worry too much about their electric bill or their priorities are very messed up tongue.gif
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But it would use an incredible amount of more power so that most people wouldn't buy just because of energy issues.

Their consumption at worst would be again between a 680/7970 and a titan, just like their performance. That hardly is "incredible amount of power". Not to mention that consumers that look into these products aren't exactly driven by consumption metrics. Not to mention that refreshed architectures are as a rule of thumb more energy efficient.

Let's not beat around the bush. Low end GPU market is almost dead. This is more a blow to nvidia than AMD-after all AMD is spearheading the very product that is killing the aforementioned market- APU chips, therefore taking advantage of this reshape. But nvidia board is extremely competent and efficient, they know all these, that's why they charge huge amounts for their current gpu line ,that's why they are inexorably trying to get into new markets (and they do a great job ,too).
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So, let's talk about price... Where were you guys when AMD dual-core's were selling for 1000$? Where were you guys at when Intel Extreme's were over 1000$? So why is it that when Titan comes out, EVERYONE goes up in flames? This market isn't just for budget PC users, there's also a market for PC enthusiast. Everyone complaining about price is evidentally unknowing about people who will go to a vendor and say "I need the best of the best for a customer who needs the best of the best."

Selfishness is all it would seem. I came up with this argument in my head... If GTX Titan was 2$ a pop, no one would be complaining right? Wrong, the people who did the research and development and made the cards would be taking a butt-hole full. This is what's wrong with "OMG IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE"

I think everyone looks at it in terms of the market. People don't call it overpiced because it costs $1k. They call it overpriced because it costs twice as much as a 680, more than that for the 7970GE, and boasts around or less than 50% increase in performance. Diminishing returns, as usual, but in this case there are options, such as SLI and Xfire.

An even bigger example would be the 2011 socket CPUs. You see plenty of guys sporting the 3930k, not because they can't afford a 3960x or 3970x, but because of the seriously diminishing returns cripling its cost to performance ratio.
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I think everyone looks at it in terms of the market. People don't call it overpiced because it costs $1k. They call it overpriced because it costs twice as much as a 680, more than that for the 7970GE, and boasts around or less than 50% increase in performance. Diminishing returns, as usual, but in this case there are options, such as SLI and Xfire.

An even bigger example would be the 2011 socket CPUs. You see plenty of guys sporting the 3930k, not because they can't afford a 3960x or 3970x, but because of the seriously diminishing returns cripling its cost to performance ratio.

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That's assuming they can.

If we're still talking about 28nm GPUs it's going to be tough. The perf difference between refreshes has almost always been 10%. Since there's a longer time between generations this time we'll see what happens but unless AMD and NV suddenly pull 20nm chips somewhere you guys are setting yourselves up for a disappointment if you're expecting more than 15%.

This sounds about right. Unless amd pulls a miracle, GCN 2.0 is just turn and burn, optimized and tweaked. Sure there will be more shaders and (possibly) more rops but I doubt we will see anything above a 20% improvement.

Though if they only plan on beating the 780, they better bring some guns and/or better value. Being pinched between two cards at the very top (for arguments sake let's say it goes 780-8970-titan for performance) will make for an opportunity to either do well or poor.

I would hope this would reel us in from the spike in price/performance, but who knows, titan could be a continual card that supersedes the x80 as their top card. I do not think this is the case but how would you feel if a $1000 card became a norm for the top tier. It's obviously all depends how well said card performs compared to what's out but it is a possibility.
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An even bigger example would be the 2011 socket CPUs. You see plenty of guys sporting the 3930k, not because they can't afford a 3960x or 3970x, but because of the seriously diminishing returns cripling its cost to performance ratio.

Except that if the 3960X had the same performance increase from the 3930K as a Titan has from a GTX 680 or 7970, a lot more people would buy the 3960X and a lot less people would call it overpriced.
The 3960X and 3930k are pretty much equal when overclocked except for the extra L3 cache (won't see much real world improvements). That's not true if you compare the 680 and the GTX titan.
The thing here you have other options to reach the titan performance with a 7970 XF or such, that doesn't change the fact that a lot of people don't care much for SLI or XF and would like the best single gpu out there.
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Except that if the 3960X had the same performance increase from the 3930K as a Titan has from a GTX 680 or 7970, a lot more people would buy the 3960X and a lot less people would call it overpriced.
The 3960X and 3930k are pretty much equal when overclocked except for the extra L3 cache (won't see much real world improvements). That's not true if you compare the 680 and the GTX titan.
The thing here you have other options to reach the titan performance with a 7970 XF or such, that doesn't change the fact that a lot of people don't care much for SLI or XF and would like the best single gpu out there.

Let say if I already have the 7970, are you saying that I'm not going to care to crossfire it? Most people that are single gpu setup ended up buying another....
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just like mine and my certs, they are just pieces of paper on the wall I often throw darts at... wink.gif

I should remove the frame and do the same thing tongue.gif
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Let say if I already have the 7970, are you saying that I'm not going to care to crossfire it? Most people that are single gpu setup ended up buying another....

No, I'm saying there are people that are not interested in multi-gpu systems and play 1080p, that would rather buy a 7970 over 2x 7850 even if the crossfire option has more power and would be a bit cheaper.
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I did that on purpose some people here think that their above you because they bought a geforce titan...lol

Anyways, titan is the only card that came out in 2013 so far and it has no competetion...I'll hold off for now until it has a competetion......

I still can't believe the sli titan lost to a cf 7970...even at stock settings, it has no business losing to cf 7970....it's 2k againts $700.00......boxing3.gif

Did they not teach you Math in Medical school?

MSRP of the tested cards in this review is $700 EACH.



Also, you and people like Bencher are basing their opinion on 2 charts from this review.

One happens to be a selective benchmark posted in the OP. Shockingly by a 7970 CF owner. rolleyes.gif

You guys are also ignoring the fact that Titan is downclocked vs 1200 MHZ cards. This review is not representative of Titan's stock performance, nor is it representative of 7970's stock performance.

Here are the rest of the benchmarks:










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