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Originally Posted by zGunBLADEz View Post

The problem with that is that what us normal users do on computing side, it is folding, bitcoin and hashes and nvidia seriously sucks on bitcoining and hash cracking XD

Then you see this
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-titan-performance-review,3442-10.html

and you start wondering what happen there

I am just giving Nvidia the benefit of the doubt. One of their selling points for titan is compute.

Not sure how that became a selling point when that was one of the main points for dx11.
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I personally do not know why everybody is getting so worked up about this. If I can draw a metaphor; It is a bit like the car market, with it's multiple tiers of of cars, the $1000 cards are like super-cars, with the 680's and 7970's the stop gap of performance cars (BMW M3, Nissan GTR etc). I don't resent a Ferrari because I can't afford it, it is petty and pathetic. However sometimes those cars don't warrant the cost, Ex Jaguar XJR-15, it was expensive, but it's performance was only comparable to something like a M3, due to it was unstable at high speeds. Though the Titan is undoubtedly faster then the 680's and 7970's it's just not fast enough to really justify its existence. It does have some niche appeal, Micro towers for the space limits, power supply limits, no scaling headaches, and less heat generated. But remember the main market for the Titan (due to it's pricing) is enthusiast, which usually do not face those niche appeal issues.

The Titan is a fantastic card, but a bit of a flop considering the state of the market (look at all this rage lachen.gif), it's Price to Performance isn't great, that is true. But it's not a bad card by any margin, just it's appeal is limited. Stop getting mad at people who bought them, and by extension the card itself (It makes you look like a fool). And to the some people (you know who you are) who did buy the cards, stop acting like snobs, by defending your purchase with insults (It also makes you look like a fool). I personally can't buy one, but I respect the design, engineering, and performance of said card. The only thing I really don't like about it, is Nvidia seems to have made the focus of the Titan to dethrone AMD for the single fastest GPU advertising rights, rather then giving the market fresh cards. If we are going to hate on something, lets hate things that deserve it (Bad design, Broken drivers, etc: i.e Microsoft ME). cheers.gif

I think the problem here is as follow...
People like me who change hardware so often can stomach a 400-500 investment and not a 1k investment it just disgust me seriously... Why spent 1k when you can buy 2 pieces of hardware down the road for 500 each?

Or thats how i see it..
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I am just giving Nvidia the benefit of the doubt. One of their selling points for titan is compute.

Not sure how that became a selling point when that was one of the main points for dx11.
Bitcoining on a gpu is a thing of the past thanks to ASICS machines which are dedicated for that and consumes less energy as well.

Now i do hash cracking and it is fun and well amd kicks serious ass doing that.,.
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I stand by my point. 680 pretty much can fetch a higher price than 7970GE even now ,as we speak, on many markets. AMD has to offer higher performane on lower price and on top of that free games to get market share. They could offer a "7980" at 110% titan performance at 790 euros and still they would get outsold. It is uphill, they are doing progress but they have ALOT to learn by team Green.

Learning isn't exactly something they need to do. Its much easier to talk the talk and walk the walk when you have the backing of the majority of GPU purchasers. Its just like apple vs everyone else. Product quality becomes meaningless to an extent when you have a loyal fan base (Regardless of reasoning behind that loyalty).

Think of amd as apple in 1996, they have an opportunity to really swing momentum but it will be very difficult unless they can really wow us come December.
     
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I think the problem here is as follow...
People like me who change hardware so often can stomach a 400-500 investment and not a 1k investment it just disgust me seriously... Why spent 1k when you can buy 2 pieces of hardware down the road for 500 each?

Or thats how i see it..

I would agree with you, other then both AMD and Nvidia release their 400-500 priced cards specifically for people like you and me. If there is a company to fell disgusted at, it would probably be Apple. Where it cost nearly 2x as much for the same or stronger PC. Their handhelds are justifiable, but their computer lines are utter rip offs. The Titan at least gives you something for the extra $500 other then a coat of white paint like apple products do. The only thing that slightly warrants the mark up is their OS, but defiantly not the gutted hardware they use. Nvidia's Titian is a little bit excessively priced, but at least your getting something for the extra you paid for. thumb.gif
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I personally do not know why everybody is getting so worked up about this. If I can draw a metaphor; It is a bit like the car market, with it's multiple tiers of of cars, the $1000 cards are like super-cars, with the 680's and 7970's the stop gap of performance cars (BMW M3, Nissan GTR etc). I don't resent a Ferrari because I can't afford it, it is petty and pathetic. However sometimes those cars don't warrant the cost, Ex Jaguar XJR-15, it was expensive, but it's performance was only comparable to something like a M3, due to it was unstable at high speeds. Though the Titan is undoubtedly faster then the 680's and 7970's it's just not fast enough to really justify its existence. It does have some niche appeal, Micro towers for the space limits, power supply limits, no scaling headaches, and less heat generated. But remember the main market for the Titan (due to it's pricing) is enthusiast, which usually do not face those niche appeal issues.

Though I'm a fan of car analogies this one doesn't quite fit the role. The difference between a Titan and Supercar, for example one as old as the McLaren F1 is that in time, the McClaren doesn't suddenly become slow. It still takes one hell of car to beat it. You paid a premium on a product that only grows in value over time and it's performance will be consistent. A videocard? No so much.
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Though I'm a fan of car analogies this one doesn't quite fit the role. The difference between a Titan and Supercar, for example one as old as the McLaren F1 is that in time, the McClaren doesn't suddenly become slow. It still takes one hell of car to beat it. You paid a premium on a product that only grows in value over time and it's performance will be consistent. A videocard? No so much.

Videocards are comparatively very cheap though.

Yes the Titan will only be the best for probably a little over a year but it doesn't cost half a million like some super cars.
 
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Seems to me that actual F1 cars are a better analogy. A Ferrari 2002 was a magnificent race car but even a 2012 marussia would beat it nowadays around a cirquit.
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Videocards are comparatively very cheap though.

Yes the Titan will only be the best for probably a little over a year but it doesn't cost half a million like some super cars.

in the end i ride a bike...

it is kinda amazing how many analogies there are between cars and PC's.
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No, I KNOW this to be true. The components on the GTX Titan are NOT below 2$, therefore you believe that people should GIVE you pieces for free? I don't know who you are, but it's evident to me that I don't need to be arguing with you, because obviously you are NOT the person I want to be speaking with. You must work at a local PC store or something.

Your personal attacks are rather funny, even if I did work at a local PC store that doesn't mean I wouldn't know more about products and economic relationships between then than you. I forgot where you could actually have a civilized conversation about a topic with differing opinions and not have to resort to insults. It shows why Alatar is a good mod, he presents his points and opinions and doesn't get bent out of shape when someone disagrees with him.


I'm not going to go back to search for the post, but it was in fact YOU that personally insulted me first. Get your facts straight.
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