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I see.
I think I understand now.

The card has two boosts. A 980+ one and 876mhz base one. It depends on the temp.
One option is that at 980+mhz, their card would downclock to base speed because of temp (maybe it was mentioned but bad translation was the cause), so they decided on 876 base boost.
Techpowerup card went to 993mhz, and than downclocked itself to 836mhz because of temps (once it reached 80c).

This might even make this benchmarks scores even low for the titan because of SLI very high temps. As in the cards won't even go above base clocks, let alone using boost, because of this.

Won't you say it will be even worse?
You have one card, and good air circulation I guess. But two cards one next to the other, benchmark system, no case, you might get high temps. As in lower clocks.
If the cards would go to 836mhz constantly because of temps, won't that make the benchmarks even lower?
Actually almost all the reviews will argue with you.
High temps = lower mhz.

It doesn't really downclock like that, at stock the temperature limit is 80C and the fan will ramp up automatically to keep the card at that temperature. Since the voltage and clocks are quite low at 980MHz (this depends a bit on the card, it might be 993MHZ etc.) you do not need a high fan speed to keep the card cool and because of this it does not downclock. I also do not know what TPU did but I have never seen a huge jump like 993MHz -> 876MHz. If the card throttles it's always a bit by bit and even then I've yet to see that in a real world scenario on my system. But of course I can't speak for everyone.

But. The point still stands, this review does not in any way represent a real world scenario when it comes to the use of two Titans.
 
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Should make you chuckle about as much as this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE

As a review this is about on par.

I'm taking you're one of the guys Logan is talking about @ 1.14 huh ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCjqa5GCBT4
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It doesn't really downclock like that, at stock the temperature limit is 80C and the fan will ramp up automatically to keep the card at that temperature. Since the voltage and clocks are quite low at 980MHz (this depends a bit on the card, it might be 993MHZ etc.) you do not need a high fan speed to keep the card cool and because of this it does not downclock. I also do not know what TPU did but I have never seen a huge jump like 993MHz -> 876MHz. If the card throttles it's always a bit by bit and even then I've yet to see that in a real world scenario on my system. But of course I can't speak for everyone.

But. The point still stands, this review does not in any way represent a real world scenario when it comes to the use of two Titans.

Maybe.
I have see this:


I don't see anything that you described. And I don't have a titan to confirm it. And from the screenshot you put earlier, you showed the card at 55c? That is much lower than any of the other reviews I have seen. So maybe for you its not real world, but maybe for others it is.

Oh I just remembered that you are using phase change on the CPU.
Your case is far from "real world scenario" in any scale.
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post #94 of 666
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Maybe.
I have see this:


I don't see anything that you described. And I don't have a titan to confirm it. And from the screenshot you put earlier, you showed the card at 55c? That is much lower than any of the other reviews I have seen. So maybe for you its not real world, but maybe for others it is.

from TPU:
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The following graph shows how changes in GPU temperature drive the selected clock. We tested this with a static scene that renders the same scene each frame, which results in a constant GPU and memory load that would otherwise not be possible.

It's a completely synthetic scenario first of all. And secondly you will not reach temps like that at stock unless you lock the fan to some ridiculously low number or run a power virus like furmark.

Yes the card will behave like that if you get a scenario where the temperature just rises without anything to stop it but that's what the fan is for. It's more than enough to keep a card at 1.2v and 1200MHz at around 83C. In my 24C ambients that is. At stock it just calmly keeps the card at 80C assuming the load is high enough to bring it there and ramps up if the card is getting hotter, which prevents the throttling seen in the TPU graph.
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I'm taking you're one of the guys Logan is talking about @ 1.14 huh ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCjqa5GCBT4

No but I laughed when he was talking about that. I haven't talked about logan outside of OCN and I definitely don't use reddit haha. I can also guarantee to you that no one that can even remotely officially represent OCN will go on reddit and bash logan for no reason.

But at least he's a good sport smile.gif
 
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No but I laughed when he was talking about that. I haven't talked about logan outside of OCN and I definitely don't use reddit haha. I can also guarantee to you that no one that can even remotely officially represent OCN will go on reddit and bash logan for no reason.

But at least he's a good sport smile.gif

Fair enough , this didn't really make OCN look good did it ?

Anyway going back to Titan , it's little underwhelming in my opinion I'd expect more from $1000 card , it's supposed to be premium product but all i see here is premium price.
Sure it's fastest single GPU and all but it's overpriced , and people who say "it's not overpriced for me herp derp" are just silly , card is overpriced the fact people are willing to to buy it anyway doesn't change it.
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Fair enough , this didn't really make OCN look good did it ?

To be fair, most of the criticism directed at Logan I've seen on this site was about his methodology and weird results (compared to every single benchmark out there), nothing about his delivery.
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To be fair, most of the criticism directed at Logan I've seen on this site was about his methodology and weird results (compared to every single benchmark out there), nothing about his delivery.
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Fair enough , this didn't really make OCN look good did it ?

Anyway going back to Titan , it's little underwhelming in my opinion I'd expect more from $1000 card , it's supposed to be premium product but all i see here is premium price.
Sure it's fastest single GPU and all but it's overpriced , and people who say "it's not overpriced for me herp derp" are just silly , card is overpriced the fact people are willing to to buy it anyway doesn't change it.


Not like we can do anything about people who present themselves as OCN members outside of OCN. And neither should we do anything about it.

Also the thing about the overpriced argument is that you can also apply it to other cards such as the 680 or the 7970. Instead of those you should just get a 7850. The better cards will perform 40% better but for twice the price. (sound familiar?)

And since some people still don't think these things OC, here's another card (just posted) from the owners' club:
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nuff said...

20 minutes unigine valley biggrin.gif

 
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But Titan's don't run 867MHz out of the box.... That's the thing, if I do nothing to my card it will run at 980MHz, if I raise volts and power limit it will jump to 1016MHz.

The only way I can get 867MHz is by locking the frequency to that by precisionX or afterburner, which would be downclocking.

I want both cards at stock (no settings touched, no buttons or frequency locks) or at maximum OC.
Well it's also stable in the new dawn demo from NV and in valley. I haven't tested games because I have not had the time to do so but it is relatively stable, by no means is it far from the truth. And benches like heaven are much easier to test with. Pretty much no variables in the bench which helps when diagnosing some crash or something.

And I will get to running benches when I get the time to put a day to getting my 3930K setup up with all the watercooling for the Rampage IV extreme and phase/insulation for the CPU and board.
Nvidia states it officially boosts to 876

Maybe that's why they locked it there and to avoid the temperature throttling.

That's cool, i think the only time i'll believe you're running at those clocks with no throttling is when i see a valley score anyway.


edit: in the image you posted above he is at 42c which means he is water cooled, not the best way to "prove these things OC" when he had to go out and spend even more money to do that. Oh an he needed a custom bios as well.
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Probably it's a driver issue
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tests seem fair to me looking at the temps and the specs of Titan. if we have something to agree here it's Titan's SLI scaling. it's absolutely horrible. amd has done some voodoo magic with their multi gpu scaling starting from 68** cards. (6870 scaling was almost 100%) great job amd.
 
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Logitech Z333 2.1 Speakers Beyerdynamic DT 990 Pro 250 Ohms Oculus Rift CV1 + Oculus Touch Controller Xbox One Controller 
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Playstation 4 Pro 
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Intel Core i3 6100 Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Powercolor RX 560 4GB Ballistix Sport 2x8GB 2400MHz DDR4 
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anDisk 480GB Ultra II SSD Windows 10 Home x64 Sony Bravia 52" 1080p LCD TV Logitech MK530 Advanced Wireless Keyboard/Mouse 
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EVGA 600B PSU DIYPC DIY-F2-O 
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