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It doesn't matter that game is always online or not. Or whether you bought it digitally or a hardcopy. What holds true is the law. If you pay for a service or product and do not get what you paid for, you are entitled to reimbersment. EA's EULA is NOT the law. And can will easily be disregarded in a court of law in a case where EA did not provide the service they sold their customers.
In regards to actually owning a game nowdays, Legislature should be put into place to clearly differentiate the 2. If your Steam games are nothing more than rented, it should say rent and not purchase. And in my firm opinion, for games that are always online, developers should need to provide at bare minimum a server termination date upon release of the game. If not provided, servers should be supported indefinitely. Why people tolerate shady sales practices is beyond me. And if law should be cracking down on businesses not comsumers. I'm not for perpetuating the ignorance of consumers, but it's not the easiest thing to find all the information regarding existing or future purchases. It's not fully clear as to what would happen to your Steam games if they went out of business. It is partially the consumers fault for not demanding an asnwer to that question. But Steam should be held responsible for not being clear in their business practices and possiblely misleading their customers.

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=870603&page=6
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A patch would be released.
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I mentioned else where that valve have said a while after they started steam if they were to close the service they would bring out a patch or gui to run your games on
But as we all know, Valve has shown it's ability to do things that would work in benefit for the customer. EA on the other hand has not shown this in the past and is not showing much potential for the future as well. I would believe Valve would do right and allow us to download all the games we want, before they took everything offline completely. EA on the other hand.... will most likely just run with the money.
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But as we all know, Valve has shown it's ability to do things that would work in benefit for the customer. EA on the other hand has not shown this in the past and is not showing much potential for the future as well. I would believe Valve would do right and allow us to download all the games we want, before they took everything offline completely. EA on the other hand.... will most likely just run with the money.

If this was on steam I would be playing it now and have no worries about being able to play it in 6 month or 6 years time, i have simcity 4 and when I saw this was looking forward to it, I would of even paid the price for it but not when EA can say right you have played that enough now. Some times it's fun just to go back and play an old game I still have originals of civ 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, it's a shame the operating systems move on you cann't play them
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If this was on steam I would be playing it now and have no worries about being able to play it in 6 month or 6 years time, i have simcity 4 and when I saw this was looking forward to it, I would of even paid the price for it but not when EA can say right you have played that enough now. Some times it's fun just to go back and play an old game I still have originals of civ 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, it's a shame the operating systems move on you cann't play them

It would mean nothing if it was on Steam...if the servers are shutdown that the game runs on the game is done. It isn't the hosting of the game files that is a problem.
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But as we all know, Valve has shown it's ability to do things that would work in benefit for the customer. EA on the other hand has not shown this in the past and is not showing much potential for the future as well. I would believe Valve would do right and allow us to download all the games we want, before they took everything offline completely. EA on the other hand.... will most likely just run with the money.

If this was on steam I would be playing it now and have no worries about being able to play it in 6 month or 6 years time, i have simcity 4 and when I saw this was looking forward to it, I would of even paid the price for it but not when EA can say right you have played that enough now. Some times it's fun just to go back and play an old game I still have originals of civ 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, it's a shame the operating systems move on you cann't play them

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Do you realize that SC5 being on Steam still isn't guaranteeing you anything? You're still playing off EA's servers... I prefer Steam over Origin any day of the year but... I don't see what you're getting at.
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Do you realize that SC5 being on Steam still isn't guaranteeing you anything? You're still playing off EA's servers... I prefer Steam over Origin any day of the year but... I don't see what you're getting at.

and I'm sure that if EA put it on steam they wouldn't be able to shut the servers without a patch or steam would refund players and charge EA
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and I'm sure that if EA put it on steam they wouldn't be able to shut the servers without a patch or steam would refund players and charge EA

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and I'm sure that if EA put it on steam they wouldn't be able to shut the servers without a patch or steam would refund players and charge EA

Have you ever tried to get a refund through Steam? Quite simply...they don't do it. Only in very extreme situations. If the SC5 servers got shutdown a year from now there would be nothing done.

Steam sells nonworking games, in far worse shape than SC5 is from all accounts, all the time...it is very rare any one gets a refund from Steam for them. I've managed to get a refund on one game purchased through Steam, but that came from the publisher.
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For the same reason people buy anything that doesn't last forever. Do you never buy movie tickets, go out to eat, go to a concert, event, theme park, or anything of the like? All of those are luxuries that don't last forever, and almost all of them have a far worse dollar/hour ratio than SimCity. Pretty much all of them are also more enjoyable for the time spent doing them, but that's beside the point.

The main reason to not buy games like this is so you don't support bad business practices. If you aren't bothered by that or just don't mind not having access to the game one day, then all of this really doesn't matter.

When it comes down the enjoyment for money, you won't squeeze a comparable amount of hours out of most games out there.

That's kind of the point I was trying to make. tongue.gif Twas not a serious question.
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But if you knew well beforehand that it required a constant Internet connection, it not being a multiplayer game (to you, because SC5 very much is) why would you still buy it if you opposed such "schemes?"

That's the thing that's been confusing me the most about the people complaining about the always online "DRM." They keep trying to act like it is mainly a single player game. As far as I've seen, it's a multiplayer focused game that allows you to play by yourself. This is its own game and where Maxis decided to take it. If people don't like it, it's as easy as not buying it. No need to sit around and complain about it like most people seem to be doing.
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That's kind of the point I was trying to make. tongue.gif Twas not a serious question.
That's the thing that's been confusing me the most about the people complaining about the always online "DRM." They keep trying to act like it is mainly a single player game. As far as I've seen, it's a multiplayer focused game that allows you to play by yourself. This is its own game and where Maxis decided to take it. If people don't like it, it's as easy as not buying it. No need to sit around and complain about it like most people seem to be doing.

In all honesty, I think the Online DRM complaints are completely unfounded. It is like complaining that WoW has always online DRM. You can go online and play by yourself in much the same way you log into WoW and go play by yourself.

Sim City 5 is a MMO...take it or leave it. Be happy that it doesn't require a subscription...though I quite sure people will be seeing micro transactions for it...beyond just DLCs. Stuff like buying 5000MW of electricity for $1 or something. For some reason...I see people paying it too. Though it just came to my attention that the game servers are apparently rented from Amazon. So I think it is a safe bet the game will be shut down the moment it is no longer profitable. So if people want to keep playing they are going to have to buy into it.
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